Hatland Mafia

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Amongst our suspicious folk I have to say P-Sleazy gets a big mark for making me seem so suspicious on Day 1, and for voting for me.
Still, I'll wait for his defense and act accordingly then.

[Aldurin]

Originally Posted by Karesh

Amongst our suspicious folk I have to say P-Sleazy gets a big mark for making me seem so suspicious on Day 1, and for voting for me.
Still, I'll wait for his defense and act accordingly then.

*Karesh waits until endgame*

[Geminex]

Okay, bedtime. I'm still not sure about earl, but what people are saying makes sense. If he really did get investigated, then we'll know sooner or later. And I guess we can afford to wait.

I'll let the RO thing lie for now as well. Other than the policy lynch thing, he hasn't been too scummy.

I'm interested in p-sleazy. Both IC and Smarty seem to think he's a good candidate. And the association with moogle is something I'd failed to notice up till now. But even considering that, and the inactivity, the case against him doesn't seem strong enough to warrant a lynch yet. Do we have anything else implicating him?

FOS: p-sleazy

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Sif- is throwing a lot of suspicion around on a lot of people. This is classic scum tactic to divide up the town debate and get everyone turning on each other.

Some what confused by this, how am I performing a scum tactic when I am doing the same thing every one else is doing? Looking at peoples posts and explaining what I think makes them come across as scummy? Am I supposed to sit back and not do anything at all? Any way going to bed, 14 hour work days are really kicking the shit out of me.

*shakes his fist at the UK public transport system*

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

The only thing I can really find that Moogle did that may mean anything was a joke vote on P-sleazy. I've made it a mission before to get into a heated arguement when I was scum with a fellow scum to make no connection appear between us, maybe a possible link there, but unsure of.

So for now,

Vote: P-sleazy.

Hey! Me and you did that way back when.

Also, I resent that. I was too focused on Karesh's joke claim to be bothered with Moogle. If what you're saying is true of getting into heated arguements with people, and I did indeed do that, then it would have been me and Karesh, not me and Moogle this game.

VOTE: Inbred Chocobo

For not paying attention to what I did all day 1.

[BahamutFlare]

Honestly, I gave ample time for P-Sleazy to actually contribute something.

Vote: P-Sleazy

If a more suspicious person comes along, then I'll probably switch, but you just haven't made any contribution...even now.

Also, wasn't Snake throwing around a lot of suspicion? It was to create talk so we could figure out some more hints. Saying Sif is scum because he's doing what a lot of us are doing and a confirmed townie did most of all is just silly. I don't see any validity in your argument, Smarty.

[Sifright]

Unvote:Revolving Ocelot

Vote:Geminex

Role I think he has Cult Leader

Play style changed dramatically from last game lots of what feels like faux insecurity lots of hedging about player roles especially the attempt to move thoughts away from my suggested cult-mafia interaction on moogle and suggesting moogle had a suicide role despite the fact that moogles death did nothing.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Ok so I finally got around to re-reading the thread a bit, but it hasn't really helped me. All I've got so far is really small suspicions on multiple people.

I still don't like Aldurins "Bookie gave me a shit role" claim, because let's face it, that's bullshit. Though he was apparantly investigated and (maybe) turned up clean, so we can wait on that a bit.

Kareshs' strange roleclaims early on still bug me, but he's not done anything else too obviously scummy.

RO made that policy lynch comment, which is a terrible idea, especially seeing as how a lot of the people who voted for Snake were making it a policy lynch, even after he said he was leaving the game, which wasted a lynch and did so on poor logic. As such I am apposed to even the slightest hint of policy lynching, though again, that's the only thing I have to go on for RO.

I also have suspicions for everyone who stayed on Snake even after he said he was leaving, for the same reasons.

IC made a comment that he's suspicious of P-Sleazy because Moogle voted for him in what IC describes as an attempt to start an argument with a fellow scum, to throw suspicion off the other, but Sleazy made no response to Moogle at all, so that logic completely falls apart right there. People have been voting for each other all over the place and it doesn't mean scum are trying to set up fake arguments, whether they respond or not. But there was no discussion between Moogle and Sleazy anyway so I dunno what the hell IC is trying to imply there.

We also have no way to really determine what was up with Moogles suicide, whether it's some wierd role power or a cult leader who got killed trying to convert a mafiate, so trying to determine a connection between him and Sleazy is gona be tricky.

And finally, P-Sleazy, who as far as I can tell has done pretty much nothing all game and has barely even tried to defend himself and has mostly made joke posts all round.

I'm also not sure if mentioning the fact that you have a history of setting up arguments with fellow scumates is a brilliant scum tactic or not, because nobody would expect you to actually do that if you then went and did it and by his own admission him and IC have a history of that and he would have done it with Karesh if he was going to. And yes I realise how convoluted and implausible that sounds, but that's why it's brilliant.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Sif totally jumped me on a suspicion I've had for a while re: Gem is CL.
I don' thave all my notes at work so I'll fill it in later but this is the basic gist of the argument.
Gem has spent a lot of the game backing up and prodding for information- basically buddying up with some of the more vocal players- me particularly. This is an excellent strategy for the CL and does not seem like Gems style. The CL also targetted a low activity player last night which would fit if Gem was hiding behind the high actives. In addition there was his moogle stuff.
I don't think Gem is mafia for various reasons which I have in my notes but I can't remember why off hand.
But my problem is its just a massive hunch, that's why I didn't want to bring it up. I was waiting for most posts from Gem to see if I could pin anything down. But Sif has blown that up now I guess.
As it stands I have a pretty massive hunch that Gem is CL but its mostly a hunch. When I go home I'll fill in a bit more details but the argument is basically waht I've outlined.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Sif totally jumped me on a suspicion I've had for a while re: Gem is CL.
I don' thave all my notes at work so I'll fill it in later but this is the basic gist of the argument.
Gem has spent a lot of the game backing up and prodding for information- basically buddying up with some of the more vocal players- me particularly. This is an excellent strategy for the CL and does not seem like Gems style. The CL also targetted a low activity player last night which would fit if Gem was hiding behind the high actives. In addition there was his moogle stuff.
I don't think Gem is mafia for various reasons which I have in my notes but I can't remember why off hand.
But my problem is its just a massive hunch, that's why I didn't want to bring it up. I was waiting for most posts from Gem to see if I could pin anything down. But Sif has blown that up now I guess.
As it stands I have a pretty massive hunch that Gem is CL but its mostly a hunch. When I go home I'll fill in a bit more details but the argument is basically waht I've outlined.

Basically given what I've seen of gems actions they make the most sense when viewed from the perspective of a cult leader, I don't know if he would slip up and truly give us info to nail him with but I think hoping for large tells which give him away is well not exactly 'foolish' but a little to optimistic. There is enough for me to be satisfied with voting for him on a lynch but only because he is the only candidate I can see for cult leader and CL surviving into day 3 and beyond would be pretty much terrible for town hence my urge to try and out him how ever prematurely.