Steve Jobs has died. - Page 4

Meister · 10-06-2011, 10:39 AM

I completely agree but c'mon, basic decency. Like at least instead of just a dance emote do a little writeup on Apple's darker sides, lord knows there's no shortage.

Like the way they made closed information infrastructure under the control of one body an acceptable thing.

Nique · 10-06-2011, 11:38 AM

Not that Smarty's wiki-post wasn't thought provoking and basically guilt inducing for anyone owning Apple products, but I think it's ridiculous to think that even the CEO of as huge a company as Apple would be aware of the specific activities of all of it's appendages.

Like, it's totally wrong and way more sad than the death of one (very prolific even) man, but that doesn't make him personally responsible for those things or for existing within a broken system and it doesn't mean he didn't try to stop it. It doesn't mean that he did either but the point is that basically its kind of messed up to even jokingly celebrate someone's death.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-06-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nique

Not that Smarty's wiki-post wasn't thought provoking and basically guilt inducing for anyone owning Apple products, but I think it's ridiculous to think that even the CEO of as huge a company as Apple would be aware of the specific activities of all of it's appendages.

Like, it's totally wrong and way more sad than the death of one (very prolific even) man, but that doesn't make him personally responsible for those things or for existing within a broken system and it doesn't mean he didn't try to stop it. It doesn't mean that he did either but the point is that basically its kind of messed up to even jokingly celebrate someone's death.

After a certain point there should have been a moral and logical zenith at which Steve Jobs as CEO should have stamped his foot down and said "That's fucking it Foxconn is bullshitting us over and over and we're not gonna take it anymore."

There's alternatives for production, but for whatever reason apple and all these other companies keep going back to the same production centers knowing full well what they're capable of.

Professor Smarmiarty · 10-06-2011, 12:11 PM

I'm like 90% positive the reason is they are cheaper than people who like follow standards and shit.

Azisien · 10-06-2011, 12:31 PM

Wait, there are electronics manufactured legitimately? Anywhere???

Nique · 10-06-2011, 12:45 PM

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After a certain point there should have been a moral and logical zenith at which Steve Jobs as CEO should have stamped his foot down and said "That's fucking it Foxconn is bullshitting us over and over and we're not gonna take it anymore."

You know what I'm pretty much not ok with being spoken to like I don't think this should be the case.

Like, what, I say that it's objectively terribly to celebrate someone's death so that means I'm soft-balling inhumane working conditions?

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-06-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nique

You know what I'm pretty much not ok with being spoken to like I don't think this should be the case.

Like, what, I say that it's objectively terribly to celebrate someone's death so that means I'm soft-balling inhumane working conditions?

It wasn't really directed at the latter part, just

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I think it's ridiculous to think that even the CEO of as huge a company as Apple would be aware of the specific activities of all of it's appendages.

Because the thing is A CEO doesn't have to be aware of specific activities, just that time and time again Foxconn has enslaved abused and destroyed the lives of its workers and shown nearly no intent to change those habits.

Aerozord · 10-06-2011, 01:13 PM

well part of the issue is China, its hard to enforce standards from the other side of the planet.

Though you need to remember human psychology. Most people are very passive. I mean you say Apple has horrible business practices but how many of you still buy their products. Even apply that to population in general. We complain about shipping jobs overseas and slave labor, but would complain alot more if the cost of our products went up 10 or 20 percent

what makes you think a CEO, whose job would be endangered by making such changes, would be any more pro-active

Sifright · 10-06-2011, 01:14 PM

Never bought a single apple product.

Also, It would be as much of an issue if tech goods didn't have +300% markup on their goods.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-06-2011, 01:15 PM

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well part of the issue is China, its hard to enforce standards from the other side of the planet.

Nobody has to step over to China and physically force every company to stop these practices, they just need to...uh, I dunno? Stop using those companies?
I mean you'd think there'd be plenty of other production methods they could make use of. Hell, right here in America with all the abandoned factories and unemployed workers you could get some shit going. But, nope. It's slave labor or bust.

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Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	well part of the issue is China, its hard to enforce standards from the other side of the planet. Though you need to remember human psychology. Most people are very passive. I mean you say Apple has horrible business practices but how many of you still buy their products. Even apply that to population in general. We complain about shipping jobs overseas and slave labor, but would complain alot more if the cost of our products went up 10 or 20 percent what makes you think a CEO, whose job would be endangered by making such changes, would be any more pro-active __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

10-06-2011, 10:39 AM	#31
Meister Pure joy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 10,689	I completely agree but c'mon, basic decency. Like at least instead of just a dance emote do a little writeup on Apple's darker sides, lord knows there's no shortage. Like the way they made closed information infrastructure under the control of one body an acceptable thing.

10-06-2011, 12:11 PM	#34
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I'm like 90% positive the reason is they are cheaper than people who like follow standards and shit.

10-06-2011, 12:31 PM	#35
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	Wait, there are electronics manufactured legitimately? Anywhere???

10-06-2011, 01:14 PM	#39
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Never bought a single apple product. Also, It would be as much of an issue if tech goods didn't have +300% markup on their goods.