MASS EFFECT TWO: GIVE GARRUS A HUG

[DFM]

Shepard becomes the Reapers.

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by DFM

Shepard becomes the Reapers.

"No Shepard, you are the demons.

And then Shepard was a Reaper."

Doesn't have the same ring as "zombie," but it still works.

[Aerozord]

exactly

on an unrelated note. I forgot how amusing wrex can be

Shepard: " I got spaced"

Wrex: "thank god for redundant nervous system"

Spepard: "yea... humans dont have those"

Wrex "oh, then that must have hurt"

[DFM]

Yeah I think I was channeling Bioshock there I dunno.

[Aerozord]

I did get an email from one of the quarian admirals, the one that wanted to reprogram the geth to work for them once more. she said she found useful information on the experiments, and if you told her about the experiments she'd have shared that information with humanity.

curious to see how that resolves. Even for my renegade character I'm hoping for quarian/geth peace

[Aerozord]

To be fair, if that Volus was anything like his partner, might not be such a sad thing. Though she viewed belonging to them in the same way some kid would view being part of a street gang. Its possible she legitly thought she screwed up once HER life was put into danger. Doesn't change the fact she was amoral enough to kill the guy and gloat about it. Just saying even if she was sincere, probably still deserved a shot in the head

[BitVyper]

He smuggled drugs, but that's not the point.

That. That is the point. The fact that someone (probably) did something bad does not automatically make killing them on the suspicion okay. Even places that still use the death penalty acknowledge this much. Shepard had no good reason to kill her. It wasn't like he was on some stealth mission and she would alert the guards, and she was absolutely no threat to him on her own, as taking the renegade option fully demonstrates.

Shepard had no reason to kill her. She (probably) wasn't innocent, but that's not a reason to kill someone unless you happen to be 90s Punisher.

Edit: Which, I should reiterate, is fine. I'm not saying it's bad that you have the option, just that it's pretty nasty - not as nasaty as killing all the colonists in ME1, but still one of the worse things Renegade Shepard can do.

She didn't care who she killed. She was just looking for admittance into Eclipse.

Which you don't find out until you listen to her recording later.

[Dauntasa]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Edit: Which, I should reiterate, is fine. I'm not saying it's bad that you have the option, just that it's pretty nasty - not as nasaty as killing all the colonists in ME1, but still one of the worse things Renegade Shepard can do.

Not at all. She's an enemy combatant. She could just be saying that she's innocent, and indeed, she is. She doesn't come and shoot Shepard in the back later, but it was certainly a possibility. She was a threat. It's basically the same situation as that guy who got pushed out a window.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

That. That is the point. The fact that someone (probably) did something bad does not automatically make killing them on the suspicion okay.

Firstly, depends what you suspect them of doing. Killing someone for smuggling drugs is probably not ok, as that smuggling drugs by itself isn't that bad (but only by itself). On the other hand, murdering people and joining a mercenary company that tends to murder people on a regular basis--well maybe that's in a bit more of a moral gray area.

Secondly. It does if you're a spectre. Killing people on suspicion is the entire reason that spectres exist. It is like 90% of their job description. It is the entire reason they EXIST. If they could only take someone down/kill someone if they had solid PROOF then C-Sec could do their job if they were given a larger jurisdiction. Needing the ability to kill criminals without solid proof is the entire reason that the spectres exist.

ALSO: You don't shoot until she does. "You chose your side" followed by training your gun on her and not firing could have been as simple as arresting her and bringing her back into the police. She, however, elected not to surrender at that point and instead attempt to shoot you.

There's nothing 'nasty' about shooting someone who is firing on you with a shotgun.

Is it still a 'renegade' option? Sure. Paragons are all about giving second chances and being cliche good guys. Renegades are not about that at all. They're about stopping bad guys no matter the cost. Remember the renegade origin has you murdering a bunch of batarian slavers after they retreated at the cost of your own men in a tunnel system.

However the idea that it is 'nasty' or 'evil' to kill a uniformed merc when a) You know that uniform means she killed someone, and b) SHE SHOT YOU FIRST is kinda silly.

The only 'evil' renegade options I can think of are the Feros colonists, and even that is really only 'evil' and not a really dark shade of gray because of the dialogue options before hand where you can tell the Bayhem's that, no, fuck them, you're not going to even try and save the colonists, as opposed to just getting there and thinking it's too dangerous to do so.

[DFM]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Shepard had no good reason to kill her.

She's a murderer and a sadist with a shotgun who belongs to a large pack of murdering sadists. You're seriously saying that killing her after she starts spouting lies to save her own skin is worse than, say, Shepard gunning down the Batarians when saving Mordin's assistant?