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[Osterbaum]

Dibs on People's Comissar for Diciplinary Actions.

[Bob The Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Osterbaum

Dibs on People's Comissar for Diciplinary Actions.

Dibs on first person to be disciplined.

/hot

[Geminex]

Dibs on founder of glorious revolution?

We stand for the people! For god! For glory! For kinky socialist S&M!

[Magus]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

Why don't you guys stop beating around the bush and just say conservatism has never done anything good for anyone ever and is concentrated evil?

See, I've gone my whole life being taught that Reagan was liek teh best guy evar. Please enlighten me. And I'm also interested in how the allies were the bad guys in WWII. You seem to be a fountain of untapped knowledge, though I hesitate to drink of it.

I think with conservatives as a whole it's more that they stand in the way of doing good things rather than that they actively do bad things. Conservatives by definition represent the status quo and the current way of doing things. If someone is dissatisfied with the current situation, then conservatives are automatically antagonists towards them. For example, the current health care debate. Liberals want to radically alter the system, whereas conservatives want to keep it as close as possible to the way it already is. If a large amount of people disagree with this and are highly dissatisfied with the current system (and a large amount of people are), it's not surprising that conservatives come under fire for "standing in the way of progress". While liberals make mistakes in attempting to change things, all in all for me at least I'd rather they make a bad show of trying to fix a broken system than idly supporting said broken system.

As for Reagan, trickle-down economics was total bullshit, and defense spending became even more overblown than it already was during his terms (not that that can't be said of dozens of other presidents). The reason people like Reagan is the U.S. happened to come out of a recession during his first term. I'm assuming there's some proof defending how his policies aided it, but for the person making a small amount of wages dissatisfaction continued if they weren't devoted to something mitigating their dissatisfaction with their economic situation (religion, patriotism, conservatism, anti-communism, etc.)

To say that the Allies were the "bad guys" during WWII would be over simplification and basically wrong. I think it's more disillusionment with the idea that America was a totally perfect white knight on the world stage, since during WWII America acted in ways far more befitting Nazi Germany, such as interning thousands of Japanese-Americans, apparently for "future-crime", all while stealing homes and property from many of them, never to be returned to many Japanese-American families. Combine this with firebombing Dresden or nuking Japan, which many people disagree with, and the veneer of perfection cracks drastically. Basically if America's image hadn't been so built up in our minds throughout the past several decades the disappointment wouldn't have hit as hard as it did. Future generations will hopefully just be told everything instead of just the good things and so they'll have a better and more nuanced understanding of history.

[Geminex]

I agree with most of what you've said, actually...

will hopefully just be told everything instead of just the good things and so they'll have a better and more nuanced understanding of history.

Except for this. I agree that this is what's good and necessary, but we'd need to go faaar into the future for that to happen, I think. There's bias everywhere. People will use bias for their own ends. I very much doubt that anyone, anywhere knows a fully unbiased version of history. The circumstances under which such a version of history could be taught to students is even more unlikely.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Geminex

I agree with most of what you've said, actually...

Except for this. I agree that this is what's good and necessary, but we'd need to go faaar into the future for that to happen, I think. There's bias everywhere. People will use bias for their own ends. I very much doubt that anyone, anywhere knows a fully unbiased version of history. The circumstances under which such a version of history could be taught to students is even more unlikely.

We could start by not painting Columbus to be like Jesus. Seriously, if we stopped teaching our kids utter bullshit that we then had to make them un-learn later, we could cram more into them.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Magus

To say that the Allies were the "bad guys" during WWII would be over simplification and basically wrong.

Well it was more like a war of two bad guys and the one with better PR ones. I wouldn't say the allies were worse than the nazis, merely more efficient.
With historical hindsight, however, and what happened post-war a Nazi victory seems preferable to me when considering the overall state of the world.
I typing this on an airport terminal so can only elaborate later if needed,which will be a few days

[Wigmund]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Well it was more like a war of two bad guys and the one with better PR ones. I wouldn't say the allies were worse than the nazis, merely more efficient.
With historical hindsight, however, and what happened post-war a Nazi victory seems preferable to me when considering the overall state of the world.
I typing this on an airport terminal so can only elaborate later if needed,which will be a few days

Yeah, this definitely needs more elaboration.

Hard to see how a world in which most every Jew, Roma, disabled person, homosexual and other undesirable would be sent to a concentration camp to starve to death if they're lucky would be an improvement over the world we live in now. Not to mention all the socialists, pacifists and other liberals that would be killed for not following the Party line.

And let's not forget all the lovely things the Japanese were doing to everyone who wasn't Japanese. China and the Koreas (among others) would love to hear the rationalization of why they'd be better off if the Japanese kept control over them.

[Funka Genocide]

When you understand that the basic premise of an argument is patently false, arguing for or against it becomes infinitely more amusing.

I don't think Barrelpants believes half the things he says, and I'm pretty sure he understands more than half of what he believes.

[Amake]

Originally Posted by Magus

I think with conservatives as a whole it's more that they stand in the way of doing good things rather than that they actively do bad things. Conservatives by definition represent the status quo and the current way of doing things. If someone is dissatisfied with the current situation, then conservatives are automatically antagonists towards them. For example, the current health care debate. Liberals want to radically alter the system, whereas conservatives want to keep it as close as possible to the way it already is. If a large amount of people disagree with this and are highly dissatisfied with the current system (and a large amount of people are), it's not surprising that conservatives come under fire for "standing in the way of progress". While liberals make mistakes in attempting to change things, all in all for me at least I'd rather they make a bad show of trying to fix a broken system than idly supporting said broken system.

I think you're right. It brings to mind a discussion I had with a self-confessed pessimist, where we agreed that pessimists favors moving forward in small, safe steps while optimists go in leaps and bounds that fail as often as not, resulting in a deadly fall.

In this metaphor life is a mountain, to be climbed.

The pessimist was eventually forced to admit that history has shown that fortune favors the bold, so to speak; that the great leaps of evolution, of invention, of social structures and so on have been worth any number of mistakes. And that fear of change and fear of failure were the only things holding him back.

True story.

Could the human race become extinct if the US health reform didn't work out? Actually, that's a selfish way of looking at things. Could it wipe out all life in the known universe? If not, then I think it's worth trying.