Faith and Belief, Multiverse Theory and Beyond

Dual Destiny · 06-23-2016, 11:00 AM

I didn't know whether or not I could post anything here, but here goes. Since this isn't based on news articles, I eschewed the idea of posting this in the news section.

I figured we could all have intelligent discussions of our beliefs, be they based on Faith or Fact. Not religion, simply things we know, but can't prove, however we believe in them anyway. Feel free to shut this down if you feel there can't be a discussion without argument, but based on my observations over the last few months, I've seen folks that can have a debate or discussion without resorting to bad behavior.

I'll start:

Aliens brought the Pyramids:
Reason: There is no evidence that suggests that people could have actually moved those stones. Not only that, but the stone cutting is too precise for the tools they had in that era. This is not dismissing the slavery of the Jewish or Nubian people, but tI believe they were used for other reasons than simply building things.

Gods from all religions did exist at some point:
Reason: It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to believe that there may have once been humans of great renown, but their deeds may have been exaggerated for the sake of morale within their people. The same with how stories change as they are passed around. It is that or they were a xenomorphic species that displayed great power through advanced technology.

Multiverse Theory and Earth being an intelligent entity and time shifting:
Is it too much of a stretch to think that we exist parallel to other realities? All based on the decisions of those who could change the world? If Hitler got into that art school? If Genghis Khan never took his horde across Asia and Europe? What about if the US never delivered two nuclear warheads to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I think our imaginations of those events are not just mere imagination. I think we're actually seeing alternate timelines through the thin lens of our subconscious, but we never actually touch it.

Now here's a question worth asking. Have you ever noticed anything from your childhood, but it's different? I remember Mister Rogers as having said, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood." However, in this reality, it says, "It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood." That's only one example of many things in this timeline I can think of that has shifted.

That leads to these questions as well. Based on that fact, do you think the Earth at some point, could have shifted the timeline to avert a disaster that could have wiped out the planet? Do you think some of us might be dwellers from another timeline mixed into this one?

I chose W.D. Gaster from Undertale for a reason, if you couldn't already tell from my avatar or fascination in multiverse theory. I was in a coma for 3 years and only woke up six months ago. Judging what has happened since then I figured that my mind must have reconstituted in another timeline and I'm fascinated to find out what has happened since I've been gone.

pochercoaster · 06-23-2016, 02:39 PM

I believe that people who subscribe to conspiracy theories and probably make up stories about being in comas do so because they are insecure and want to feel special. And it's glaringly obvious. Also, you wouldn't be the first person on this forum to make up a story about being in the hospital.

Dude, just be normal. It's gonna get you a lot farther in life.

Dual Destiny · 06-23-2016, 04:39 PM

Okay, maybe I wasn't in a 'coma' per se, but I was in a very dark depressive state for 3 years where I was nearly catatonic. So I missed quite a bit of history and now I'm actually showing interest in what happened while I wallowed in misery for that time and no, it wasn't a made up story about being in the hospital. I believe mental facilities are also referred to as hospitals, but that's just semantics. Being normal after such a thing is harder than you think. Especially when I could possibly regress back to that state. Writing and socializing also helps reduce the risk.

Believe me or don't. You have every right to disbelieve my words and while we may disagree, I will defend your right to your opinion. Equality is fun, right?

And conspiracy theories? What's wrong with having an imagination? I never stated they were concrete truths. That was the point of this thread topic. "What do you believe that you know has no proof to it?" People often believe things because it helps get them through their days. I don't see anything wrong with it if it doesn't hurt anyone.

As I said above that paragraph, I respect you. I respect your opinion. I respect your assessment and I know you meant no hostility in your words and I know you are a person that means well. I suck at socializing, but it'd be nice to have some help learning how to do it better.

Overcast · 06-23-2016, 05:13 PM

I dunno about the coma thing it doesn't present a good foot if you are trying to fit into a cultural norm, because you are literally presenting yourself as a dimensional alien. If it is real I'd have kept that to myself for a bit, let it simmer within and present it when it seemed right. Probably a moment when people are talking about their little neuroses, because I could see that being a real difficult thing to deal with and having a much bigger story behind it than I was in a coma.

This thread could have been great for that, but you've kinda mixed together a lot of potential topics that are a little harder to get together on top of the coma thing. Its out now, but just a consideration moving forward.

Meanwhile, as a guy who is garbage at socializing and unempathic to a fault sometimes I'd say step one is to get out of your own head.

I use too many words whenever I try and say something the first time, so I try and go back and edit down anything I type. If I had to narrow down the reason, its because I talk to myself in order to effectively break down whatever I'm thinking about. I've built up a certain way of talking with myself that is difficult to follow or read without considering me some up my own ass ass clown.

You have some hints of that and what I do is write things down, look at it after, and consider re-writing it shorter and more concise if you can.

Brevity is wit as they say, and a bit more focus might have helped you back in the coma department.

Another thing I guess is to make an effort of just trying to learn about people here, try to pull the focus away from you until you feel like people are warm to you. Your every action here so far has been a bit distancing and floaty, you are asking generalized versions of certain deep questions instead of just saying the simple thing.

Like hello. I'm new here, and there is no way I'm going to be able to learn about all of you in a moment but if anyone wants to get to know me I'd appreciate it. I should have done more of this myself, but like I said I'm garbage at all this.

Get out of your own head, break down and focus what you are saying, try to be more directly engaged with people on a simple level.

Then be as weird as you want to be, cause none of us are that great. Except probably Mauve and Tactics. Those people are so great they are suspicious. And Krylo but he isn't around too often anymore, and you have to walk past his sardonic wit. Poch is cool, but she obviously has enough trouble with normal people that this isn't really something she's prepped for. Snake continues to do his best with the second chance he got. Token drops by now and again to remind us how ignorant we are, thats important. Phil is one of my favorite guys around here, but he obviously is struggling sometimes and that upsets me some. Arhra is an alien. Bard is unusually good natured in a similarly suspicious way.

MasterOfMagic · 06-23-2016, 05:19 PM

Hey, why not:

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Originally Posted by Dual Destiny

Aliens brought the Pyramids:
Reason: There is no evidence that suggests that people could have actually moved those stones. Not only that, but the stone cutting is too precise for the tools they had in that era. This is not dismissing the slavery of the Jewish or Nubian people, but tI believe they were used for other reasons than simply building things.

I never really got this objection. Yeah, the stones were heavy, but they didn't have to lift them onto their backs to move them. There are plenty of explanations that involve ramps and sleds, and they had plenty of man-power and time to do it.

What's more plausible:

many creative people with literally their entire lives to think up solutions came up with a way, and then other creative people copied and improved that method (like all the other ways we've progressed)
aliens came and randomly dropped them, then never interacted with us again (why would they hide from us if they were capable of getting here and doing this?)

Quote:

Now here's a question worth asking. Have you ever noticed anything from your childhood, but it's different? I remember Mister Rogers as having said, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood." However, in this reality, it says, "It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood." That's only one example of many things in this timeline I can think of that has shifted.

That leads to these questions as well. Based on that fact, do you think the Earth at some point, could have shifted the timeline to avert a disaster that could have wiped out the planet? Do you think some of us might be dwellers from another timeline mixed into this one?

Seems like a good premise for a book or one of those weird animes that are my guilty pleasure.

Reality is much too boring for that though. Your memories just aren't as exact as you think. You'd be much better off questioning them rather than wondering if the entire world changed around you.

No comment on the rest of it, I'm hardly a good one to give social advice.

Overcast · 06-23-2016, 05:20 PM

As a sign of how little I know, I've been on this site for only one year less of MoM and somehow we have interacted so little I can't think of any particularly memorable moment between us. In 11 years.

Token · 06-23-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Overcast

Token drops by now and again to remind us how ignorant we are, thats important.

I mean I'd like to not have to all the time, but, y'know,

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Originally Posted by Dual Destiny

Aliens brought the Pyramids:
Reason: There is no evidence that suggests that people could have actually moved those stones. Not only that, but the stone cutting is too precise for the tools they had in that era. This is not dismissing the slavery of the Jewish or Nubian people, but tI believe they were used for other reasons than simply building things.

man it's just

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Originally Posted by Dual Destiny

Okay, maybe I wasn't in a 'coma' per se, but I was in a very dark depressive state for 3 years where I was nearly catatonic.

so very

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Originally Posted by Dual Destiny

I believe mental facilities are also referred to as hospitals, but that's just semantics. Being normal after such a thing is harder than you think.

difficult sometimes

But seriously, y'ever notice how quick people are to dismiss the Pyramids as impossible? Like y'all know a civilization of niggas* couldn't possibly have figured out how to move a bunch of rocks, right? That'd just be crazy talk.

*also known as a ciggalization

MasterOfMagic · 06-23-2016, 06:16 PM

That whole timeline shift really does remind me of some weird anime I saw at some point. Thanks for that, its going to bug me all day.

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Originally Posted by Overcast

As a sign of how little I know, I've been on this site for only one year less of MoM and somehow we have interacted so little I can't think of any particularly memorable moment between us. In 11 years.

Lets have a social reject fight on an internet. Lay down the rules, I'm rolling up my sleeves.

Also, maybe I'm just boooorrrinnnggg, I mean compare dat rep

Steel Shadow · 06-23-2016, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfMagic

That whole timeline shift really does remind me of some weird anime I saw at some point. Thanks for that, its going to bug me all day.

Man, I used to think about that one all the time. I was always being told things went differently to how I remembered them!

Then I just realized that my mother was usually the one who told me that, and she has a fun combination of bad memory + adamant refusal to believe she could be wrong.

Or maybe I'm the one who does that.

Either way, reality was much less impressive than my theory that every now and then people would slip into an alternate universe that was only slightly different to the previous one, with very minor changes each time. And after slide after slide, the changes would add up, and the world would suddenly be completely different to the one they thought they knew.

rpgdemon · 06-23-2016, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfMagic

That whole timeline shift really does remind me of some weird anime I saw at some point. Thanks for that, its going to bug me all day.

Nah that only existed in the other timeline. This timeline got Homestuck.

06-23-2016, 11:00 AM	#1
Dual Destiny Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: In the space between here and there. Posts: 46	Faith and Belief, Multiverse Theory and Beyond I didn't know whether or not I could post anything here, but here goes. Since this isn't based on news articles, I eschewed the idea of posting this in the news section. I figured we could all have intelligent discussions of our beliefs, be they based on Faith or Fact. Not religion, simply things we know, but can't prove, however we believe in them anyway. Feel free to shut this down if you feel there can't be a discussion without argument, but based on my observations over the last few months, I've seen folks that can have a debate or discussion without resorting to bad behavior. I'll start: Aliens brought the Pyramids: Reason: There is no evidence that suggests that people could have actually moved those stones. Not only that, but the stone cutting is too precise for the tools they had in that era. This is not dismissing the slavery of the Jewish or Nubian people, but tI believe they were used for other reasons than simply building things. Gods from all religions did exist at some point: Reason: It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to believe that there may have once been humans of great renown, but their deeds may have been exaggerated for the sake of morale within their people. The same with how stories change as they are passed around. It is that or they were a xenomorphic species that displayed great power through advanced technology. Multiverse Theory and Earth being an intelligent entity and time shifting: Is it too much of a stretch to think that we exist parallel to other realities? All based on the decisions of those who could change the world? If Hitler got into that art school? If Genghis Khan never took his horde across Asia and Europe? What about if the US never delivered two nuclear warheads to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I think our imaginations of those events are not just mere imagination. I think we're actually seeing alternate timelines through the thin lens of our subconscious, but we never actually touch it. Now here's a question worth asking. Have you ever noticed anything from your childhood, but it's different? I remember Mister Rogers as having said, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood." However, in this reality, it says, "It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood." That's only one example of many things in this timeline I can think of that has shifted. That leads to these questions as well. Based on that fact, do you think the Earth at some point, could have shifted the timeline to avert a disaster that could have wiped out the planet? Do you think some of us might be dwellers from another timeline mixed into this one? I chose W.D. Gaster from Undertale for a reason, if you couldn't already tell from my avatar or fascination in multiverse theory. I was in a coma for 3 years and only woke up six months ago. Judging what has happened since then I figured that my mind must have reconstituted in another timeline and I'm fascinated to find out what has happened since I've been gone.

06-23-2016, 05:13 PM	#4
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	I dunno about the coma thing it doesn't present a good foot if you are trying to fit into a cultural norm, because you are literally presenting yourself as a dimensional alien. If it is real I'd have kept that to myself for a bit, let it simmer within and present it when it seemed right. Probably a moment when people are talking about their little neuroses, because I could see that being a real difficult thing to deal with and having a much bigger story behind it than I was in a coma. This thread could have been great for that, but you've kinda mixed together a lot of potential topics that are a little harder to get together on top of the coma thing. Its out now, but just a consideration moving forward. Meanwhile, as a guy who is garbage at socializing and unempathic to a fault sometimes I'd say step one is to get out of your own head. I use too many words whenever I try and say something the first time, so I try and go back and edit down anything I type. If I had to narrow down the reason, its because I talk to myself in order to effectively break down whatever I'm thinking about. I've built up a certain way of talking with myself that is difficult to follow or read without considering me some up my own ass ass clown. You have some hints of that and what I do is write things down, look at it after, and consider re-writing it shorter and more concise if you can. Brevity is wit as they say, and a bit more focus might have helped you back in the coma department. Another thing I guess is to make an effort of just trying to learn about people here, try to pull the focus away from you until you feel like people are warm to you. Your every action here so far has been a bit distancing and floaty, you are asking generalized versions of certain deep questions instead of just saying the simple thing. Like hello. I'm new here, and there is no way I'm going to be able to learn about all of you in a moment but if anyone wants to get to know me I'd appreciate it. I should have done more of this myself, but like I said I'm garbage at all this. Get out of your own head, break down and focus what you are saying, try to be more directly engaged with people on a simple level. Then be as weird as you want to be, cause none of us are that great. Except probably Mauve and Tactics. Those people are so great they are suspicious. And Krylo but he isn't around too often anymore, and you have to walk past his sardonic wit. Poch is cool, but she obviously has enough trouble with normal people that this isn't really something she's prepped for. Snake continues to do his best with the second chance he got. Token drops by now and again to remind us how ignorant we are, thats important. Phil is one of my favorite guys around here, but he obviously is struggling sometimes and that upsets me some. Arhra is an alien. Bard is unusually good natured in a similarly suspicious way. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks! Last edited by Overcast; 06-23-2016 at 05:17 PM.

06-23-2016, 05:20 PM	#6
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	As a sign of how little I know, I've been on this site for only one year less of MoM and somehow we have interacted so little I can't think of any particularly memorable moment between us. In 11 years. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

06-23-2016, 02:39 PM	#2
pochercoaster rollerpocher tycoon Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,808	I believe that people who subscribe to conspiracy theories and probably make up stories about being in comas do so because they are insecure and want to feel special. And it's glaringly obvious. Also, you wouldn't be the first person on this forum to make up a story about being in the hospital. Dude, just be normal. It's gonna get you a lot farther in life.

06-23-2016, 04:39 PM	#3
Dual Destiny Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: In the space between here and there. Posts: 46	Okay, maybe I wasn't in a 'coma' per se, but I was in a very dark depressive state for 3 years where I was nearly catatonic. So I missed quite a bit of history and now I'm actually showing interest in what happened while I wallowed in misery for that time and no, it wasn't a made up story about being in the hospital. I believe mental facilities are also referred to as hospitals, but that's just semantics. Being normal after such a thing is harder than you think. Especially when I could possibly regress back to that state. Writing and socializing also helps reduce the risk. Believe me or don't. You have every right to disbelieve my words and while we may disagree, I will defend your right to your opinion. Equality is fun, right? And conspiracy theories? What's wrong with having an imagination? I never stated they were concrete truths. That was the point of this thread topic. "What do you believe that you know has no proof to it?" People often believe things because it helps get them through their days. I don't see anything wrong with it if it doesn't hurt anyone. As I said above that paragraph, I respect you. I respect your opinion. I respect your assessment and I know you meant no hostility in your words and I know you are a person that means well. I suck at socializing, but it'd be nice to have some help learning how to do it better.