FFFFFFFYESSS POKEMANZ

[Token]

Right. As you fuckers should all know, the new Pokemon games have been released in North America today. Aussies get them on the 25th, and you European types get them on the 26th. I'm not gonna lie, I've been like a kid on Christmas this morning, waking up at three, looking at the clock, swearing, going back to sleep, waking up at 3:10, etc. Now that it's a semi-reasonable time(8:59 on my end), I figured I'd wake up and run to Gamestop. Which, apparently, does not open until 10:00. Bugger.

So, to counteract the withdrawal I'll be in for the next hour and a minute (because god knows I couldn't play any of the Pokemon games I already have until then), I figured I'd ask you NPF types what your plans are for the game. Who are you starting with, which game will you be getting, what team are you gonna try for, all that jazz. Personally, all I know is that I'll be starting with a Cyndaquil, and that I'll be playing Soul Silver. (Normally, I'd get both, but this is the first time since the original G/S that I don't have that option on release day- my mother, in a fit of nostalgia, is buying Gold.)

[Inbred Chocobo]

Me and me girlfriend are actually planning on getting copies ourselves. She has already claimed soul silver so I myself am getting heart gold. However for starter, shoot I have no idea what I plan to do for a team or anything yet.

[Melfice]

Man, I hate these "release it in phases around the world" scams game companies pull. ¬___¬ Hate it so hard.

ANYWAY, if I pick this up, I'll prolly take Totodile for a starter. C'mon, it's final evolution looks a bit like Godzilla. What's not to like?
Not sure which version I'll take, though. Probably whichever's still on the shelves (Still considering pre-ordering...). Preference Soul Silver, because I owned Gold the last time around.

[Regulus Tera]

Right. As you fuckers should all know, the new Pokemon games

i thought these were remakes wtf

[Token]

Well yes they are, but it's the spirit of the thing...
(by which I mean 500 pokemon, and a crapton of moves.)

[mudah.swf]

Apparently there's only a couple of legendaries that are locked to outside-the-game promotional events, and even then apparently the item for one of these may be distributed via WiFi. I still think that's the worst aspect of the Pokemon franchise.

SS/HG seem to have the most content out of any of the Pokemon games so far, which is immense. I think i'll have to indulge in nostalgia.

[bluestarultor]

Well yes they are, but it's the spirit of the thing...
(by which I mean 500 pokemon, and a crapton of moves.)

Orig 150 + 2ndGen 200 = ? :brow:

Are they actually including all the new ones after? So much for a remake.

[Token]

Orig 150 + 2ndGen 200 = ? :brow:

Are they actually including all the new ones after? So much for a remake.

Yeah. That was sort of a given.

[bluestarultor]

Yeah. That was sort of a given.

But then it's not Gold and Silver!

[Token]

That's right. It's Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

[greed]

But then it's not Gold and Silver!

It would be kind of a crappy remake without the ability to get any of the new Pokemon. Fire Red and Leaf Green did the same thing, baby Pokemon and later evolutions to 1st gen pokemon were added and a few of the new Pokemon were available(mostly in those post game islands).

I mean it's not a straight port Blues.

[Julford Hajime]

FUCK FUCK FUCK WHICH STARTER DO I PICK

aka I just got my copy of the game a couple minutes ago :D

[BloodyMage]

I'm probably gonna end up picking up a DS for the sole purpose of playing one of these, probably Soul Silver.

[PCD]

yeah, I remember in LeafGreen being really worried that they'd have the new Pokemon in the game. And they did, but only once you got past a certain point, so the game played like the original up until that point.

Going to get it this afternoon. Cyndaquil's been a given for me from the start.

[Red Fighter 1073]

I still think it's kinda sad that I've been in the dark about the new Pokemon generations up until now (having only played the 1st gen) and am now only starting to play Pokemon Ruby.

[mudah.swf]

Upon reading further impressions I have decided that I need Heart Gold. I want to be 10 again. GIVE IT TO MEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeee

[Julford Hajime]

Looking through a couple guides, it seems that all the pokemon of the original games are still in the same spots, meaning no Third/Fourth gen pokes until post-elite four.

Currently on my way to Violet City now. I love that even Elm makes fun of Violet Gym for being so easy :D

EDIT: But yeah I'm totally in my happy place now. I have no words to describe this other than TOTAL nostalgia trip. FR/LG wish they had that effect.

[Whomper]

I would be playing it right now if I hadn't been summoned into work by my sick boss.

Stupid flu. :(

[Julford Hajime]

I would be playing it right now if I hadn't been summoned into work by my sick boss.

Stupid flu. :(

Clearly your boss is playing it right now. He's outwitted ya :P

[Azisien]

Me and me girlfriend are actually planning on getting copies ourselves. She has already claimed soul silver so I myself am getting heart gold. However for starter, shoot I have no idea what I plan to do for a team or anything yet.

Weird, we did the same thing.


I already grabbed it, and as pathetic as it is, I'm kind of enjoying the Pokewalker. I have a Bellsprout in there. :p

It's a little more involved than I originally gave it credit for. I thought it would just be a pedometer, but it's got a little version of Safari Zone in there and everything.


As for the game itself, hmmm, how do I describe, oh yeah, it's like every other damn Pokemon game ever.

[BloodyMage]

As for the game itself, hmmm, how do I describe, oh yeah, it's like every other damn Pokemon game ever.

So...more addictive than crack?

[Whomper]

Clearly your boss is playing it right now. He's outwitted ya :PApparently he got a sex change while he was at it. :B

[Tev]

Apparently he got a sex change while he was at it. :BWhat better way to recover from gender reassignment surgery than a relaxing play-through of the new pokemon games?

[Great Cartoonist]

This game is apparently so popular, hackers got the English ROM dump 2 days before the actual release.

Then they found out about the anti-piracy measures.

[bluestarultor]

This game is apparently so popular, hackers got the English ROM dump 2 days before the actual release.

Then they found out about the anti-piracy measures.

The game is ridiculously hard and corrupts your save right before fighting the Elite Four? :p

[Great Cartoonist]

The game is ridiculously hard and corrupts your save right before fighting the Elite Four? :p
From what I've heard, if the game detects that it's not being played on a retail cart, it will randomly freeze the game on a fadeout transition. Or some such.

[bluestarultor]

From what I've heard, if the game detects that it's not being played on a retail cart, it will randomly freeze the game on a fadeout transition. Or some such.

Still interesting, but I was making a Mother reference. ;)

[Token]

This game is love. My Alakazam just one-shotted every member of Morty's gym, and I haven't even POWERLEVELed. He's only 26 after beating Morty. <3

[Julford Hajime]

Yeah, but it's an Alakazam. Friggin' ridiculously high Sp. Atk stat and all. Then again, I traded over a baby Sneasel and Zangoose so that I could do the same thing to most gyms, so I guess I shouldn't be criticizing here :P

Just beat Morty with a Noctowl a couple hours ago. On my way to Olivine now.

[Ecks]

This game is love. My Alakazam just one-shotted every member of Morty's gym, and I haven't even POWERLEVELed. He's only 26 after beating Morty. <3

You bastard! I had to lose to him three times before I decided to stop being a dunce and level my Zubat to Golbat.

Also, apparently pokemon will evolve even after fainting now, where they didn't before. After I polished off Morty, Golbat evolved into Crobat.

Also: I LOVE THE TOUCH SCREEN! FUCK YOU DIAMOND AND PLATINUM AND YOUR SHITTY MENU NAVIGATION! I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!

Still need to migrate my bad boys over from Platinum... gonna wait until I get the lvl. 70 badge though, I don't wanna port 'em over and then not get to use 'em properly.

[Julford Hajime]

Also: I LOVE THE TOUCH SCREEN! FUCK YOU DIAMOND AND PLATINUM AND YOUR SHITTY MENU NAVIGATION! I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!
Seconded. ESPECIALLY inside the boxes, because that's where I spend 90% of my time in D/P/Pl, trying to get the damned things organized. I'm not incredibly fond of how items are shown in your bag now, but it's certainly much faster than in D/P/Pl, since I can actually get from the first item to the last item in less than five minutes.

Still need to migrate my bad boys over from Platinum... gonna wait until I get the lvl. 70 badge though, I don't wanna port 'em over and then not get to use 'em properly.
I'm waiting till I beat the *SPOILER ON NEW STUFFS* Elite Four rematch before I start importing all of my guys from Platinum. Still though, game's been good to me so far. Been wandering around Dark and Union Cave instead of advancing the plot, though, so I'm taking FOREVAZ.

[Ecks]

Hell, I like my HG team better than the one I have on my Gold ROM. Mostly because I decided NOT to be a huge dumbass and caught a Magikarp instead of waiting for Slowpoke Well like I did on the ROM. Other than that... and picking up an Abra at the Game Corner instead of adding a Tauros at Route 39, it's the same team as the one on my ROM.

[Julford Hajime]

FUCK YOU CLAIR.

On that note, don't expect a underleveled team relying on Toxic Spikes to murder her Kingdra. Apparently she's hiding a Full Restore up her ass as a precaution. She used two Hyper Potions to bring her pokes back from the brink of death, I'm practically dancing because thank GOD Kingdra is finally gone, and then I see the PSN next to Kingdra's HP bar disappear.

Then that horrible sound of "Opponent used ITEM!"

*Cries, and gets ready to powerlevel team*My highest is a lvl 37 Typhlosion, with my second being a 33 Zangoose >.>

[Great Cartoonist]

Well, there's an old saying: "When the going gets tough, the tough get their MAN on and POWERLEVEL."

Also, try some non-conventional statuses that can't be healed, such as curse, or leech seed.

Alternatively, get someone to trade you a better Pokémon to deal with Dragons.

[Julford Hajime]

I can't access the GTS due to my University having a passcode system to use their internet which the DS can't access (And therefore can't use), and all attempts to use local wi-fi spots like McDonald's have failed. Otherwise I'd just trade with my copy of Platinum and bring my absurdly-strong-for-that-point pokes.

But yeah, I'd been avoiding powerleveling all game and had managed to get through pretty easily. But the levels just jumped up almost ten levels between grunts in Radio Tower and Clair's gym, and I don't usually pick on the wild critters beyond catching one of everything I don't already have >.>

[Jagos]

Dammit, this thread is making me want to play. And I don't even know where to start...

[Great Cartoonist]

Well, you can start by NOT listening to what people say about which version is better. Go with your favorite! Just keep in mind what the version exclusives are.

Or toss a coin. That's how I do it.

[Jagos]

I haven't followed Pokemon in about 5+ years. I don't have a favorite...

[Flarecobra]

How about this: What color do you enjoy more? Gold, or Silver?

And now that Midterms are over with, I'll go out and get Silver. Maybe.

[Thadius]

Somehow I am setting water gyms and oceans on fire. I love my Typhlosion, he can murdalize everything. Whenever I get in a trainer battle I picture my trainer pointing at the offending pokemon and saying 'Well done.' One second later, the offending poke bursts into flame and crumbles to ash, that's how awesome he is.

[Ecks]

FUCK YOU CLAIR.

On that note, don't expect a underleveled team relying on Toxic Spikes to murder her Kingdra. Apparently she's hiding a Full Restore up her ass as a precaution. She used two Hyper Potions to bring her pokes back from the brink of death, I'm practically dancing because thank GOD Kingdra is finally gone, and then I see the PSN next to Kingdra's HP bar disappear.

Then that horrible sound of "Opponent used ITEM!"

*Cries, and gets ready to powerlevel team*My highest is a lvl 37 Typhlosion, with my second being a 33 Zangoose >.>

I countered her Kingdra with my own Kingdra :D

I'll bet she didn't like Expert Belt-boosted STAB Outrage coming off an Adamant nature ruining her fun xD

EDIT: Sadly, because even Typhlosion can't keep up with how awesome my Scizor is, I had to retire him in favor of Arcanine temporarily while I go breed the shit out of a Cyndaquil so I can make a Superphlosion... Course, since Platinum, I replace every member of my ingame teams with bred and EV'd 'mons. I don't ever have to powerlevel thanks to 1.5x Trade boost, Experience Share plus the bait and switch method. Takes me all of 20 minutes to an hour to get them up to 50ish after EVing, which takes at most a half hour if I'm doing just Special Attack and Speed, or up to 2 and a half if I have to do the harder shit like Attack or *shudder* Special Defense. (Attack is hard because the easiest place to do it is Route 207 in Sinnoh, north of Oreburgh, where you can find wild Machop at levels 5-7... but it shares the grass with wild Geodude, who give Defense, who seem to have an equal or greater encounter rate. Personally, I think the game can tell which one I'm trying for by the Power Item I'm using and gives me the other one to spite me.)

[Julford Hajime]

BLAH BLAH BLAH WORDS.

I prefer getting through the main campaign on grit and determination (As well as a copious amount of Revives :sweatdrop), and save the EV'ing for the post-game (aka you jerks :p)

That's why all my decent pokes, including an AWESOME Pikachu-colored Pichu, have been on the bench awaiting EV training while I beat the bajeesus out of everyone else with wimpy strikes >.>

[Ecks]

Eh, I didn't want Clair to be That One Boss, so I kinda cheated. For Platinum, I kinda did cruise through the game on my own merit, but I made my team by breeding stuff from Diamond and porting it over, unEV'd. Ergo, everything but my starter was a bitch to use until after Eterna City.

Also, I should totally EV that Pikachu colored Pichu now that I've got my HURR DURR USELESS PIECE OF SHIT MUTANT PICHU. Does the shiny one ever evolve? I know the Notched Ear doesn't, but does the Pikachu colored one?

[Jagos]

Revives are a lot more expensive than Freshwaters... Just sayin.

-Edit- What's EV?

[EVILNess]

effort values, each poke has a stat associated with it when you fight it in the wild and beating it senseless raises the EV for that stat, which in turn raises the growth of that stat. There is a max EV so you do have to plan it out.

[BloodyMage]

-Edit- What's EV?

The boring stuff. (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EV)

[Token]

Pikachu-colored Pichu will evolve.

Standing infront of Mewtwo now, taking on Red tomorrosish.
Battle start!
EDIT: he knocked out TyBRosion. Considering catching him with a Friend Ball out of spite.

[Grand Master Kickface]

I got it in the mail yesterday, and I'm taking my time with it. I spent most of the first half hour interacting with my Cyndaquil and giggling like a maniac every time he poked my feet or somesuch.

I wish they hadn't implemented the nature system back in Ruby/Sapphire. When I was 12 and playing Gold for the first time, I was absolutely elated that I caught a Gastly in Sprout Tower. When I catch one ten years later, my first thought is: "Brave Gastly? Hello vendor trash!"

I was kind of surprised at how much stronger Falkner was this time around. I freaked out when he got a critical hit off my Mareep and fainted it. I'm guessing it's a sign of the difficulty to come.

It's fun to invent ways to manipulate the Pokewalker. I was able to get a Kangaskhan ridiculously early in the game by taping it to my dog and then playing fetch with him.

[Token]

Beat Red a couple of hours ago with a team of 40's-50's. And a level seven Machop. (like I'm gonna teach one of my main team Rock Climb.)

[Thadius]

Allow me to share something with you that will cause everyone's mind to simultaneously shut down and proclaim WTF.

I fought a fisherman who had raised a Magikarp to level 65.

Not Gryados. Magikarp.

I don't understand it either. When you guys find it, take a picture of it and share it so I can go 'Yeah that's the guy.'

[Ecks]

Allow me to share something with you that will cause everyone's mind to simultaneously shut down and proclaim WTF.

I fought a fisherman who had raised a Magikarp to level 65.

Not Gryados. Magikarp.

I don't understand it either. When you guys find it, take a picture of it and share it so I can go 'Yeah that's the guy.'

Fought him earlier tonight. Yeah, I went WTF too... dunno if he offers a phone number... if he does, that's gonna be one bastard of a Gyarados.

Also, got my fully EV'd Choice Scarf Typhlosion done and am wrecking shit with Eruption [For those of you who aren't in the know, Eruption is a 150 Base Power Special Fire attack that does less damage the less HP you have.] So it's at max power when you're at full health. Hence the Choice Scarf to ENSURE that I go first.

Also, yay Rain Dance Thunder Wash Rotom!

[DarkDrgon]

one thing I'd lioke to see in a new/remade pokemon game is to be able to pick what sprite you use when your walking around or battle someone else. Like, instead of having it just say "Player RED wants to battle" you could choose "Bug Catcher Red" or "Hiker Red" or "lad Red"

just to add some variety to the Wi-fi games

[Ecks]

one thing I'd lioke to see in a new/remade pokemon game is to be able to pick what sprite you use when your walking around or battle someone else. Like, instead of having it just say "Player RED wants to battle" you could choose "Bug Catcher Red" or "Hiker Red" or "lad Red"

just to add some variety to the Wi-fi games

You can already do that. There's a guy in the Violet City Pokemon Center who asks you what kind of trainer you like. I show up as an Ace Trainer in Diamond and HeartGold, and a Roughneck in Platinum.

[Thadius]

Holy balls fuck damn!

My Typlosion tank just barely killed off Red.

...Time to set everything and everyone on fire in celebration.

[DarkDrgon]

You can already do that. There's a guy in the Violet City Pokemon Center who asks you what kind of trainer you like. I show up as an Ace Trainer in Diamond and HeartGold, and a Roughneck in Platinum.

....awesome. I didn't know that, I havent played a new one since Ruby

[Great Cartoonist]

You can already do that. There's a guy in the Violet City Pokemon Center who asks you what kind of trainer you like. I show up as an Ace Trainer in Diamond and HeartGold, and a Roughneck in Platinum.
I checked around and people said that HeartGold and SoulSilver use the exact same method of calculating what avatars you get as in Platinum. So, the same ID number will give you the same list of four avatars in both Platinum and HG/SS.

[Token]

I think the Pokethelon is better than the Contests in every possible way. And I liked the contests. Anyway, until I get my laptop working again, I have the time to actually attempt to catch them all again. Whee.

[Ecks]

I checked around and people said that HeartGold and SoulSilver use the exact same method of calculating what avatars you get as in Platinum. So, the same ID number will give you the same list of four avatars in both Platinum and HG/SS.

Which is kind of odd... My ID number for HG is WAY different off my Diamond and Platinum ID numbers... yet I get some mix between Diamond's list and Platinum's list.

Might need to look into that sometime.

[Drownball-Champ]

Holy balls fuck damn!

My Typlosion tank just barely killed off Red.

...Time to set everything and everyone on fire in celebration.

Just finishing up Johto (on my way to Blackthorne, here i come Claire), but I'm hoping to just completely crush Red with Giratina.

[Ecks]

Just finishing up Johto (on my way to Blackthorne, here i come Claire), but I'm hoping to just completely crush Red with Giratina.

Good luck against Lapras.

[Drownball-Champ]

Good luck against Lapras.

That's what Thunderbolt is for.

[Ecks]

Good point, Lapras isn't the fastest enemy anyway.

Also: during my own battle with Red... that motherfucking Pikachu... OHKO'd my GodScizor with a fucking Volt Tackle. Granted, I attempted to OHKO him with Bullet Punch, relying on my MASSIVE attack stat, STAB, Technician, priority, AND the Choice Band attached but NOOOOOOO... the bastard survived with just a little HP, no doubt due to resisting Steel. Enough to get off a Volt Tackle before he died from recoil damage.


P.S. Please see my sig, I'm looking for both berries, and totally need at least one of them for a couple of my Pokeymans' movesets to work correctly.

[Julford Hajime]

Hehe. See th PM I sent ya, EckScizor. I've been using Petaya for a while in the NPF league, and I can grow it for ya. Have a Salac, just haven't found anyone worth using it on yet (It's more common in UU, I think).

[Drownball-Champ]

I've been spending most of my time lurking around the GameFAQs trade boards, but I've found time to finally put together an Elite 4 team. I hope to beat them this time around. Giratina, Lucario, Alakazam, Typhlosion, and Tyranitar. Giratina is able to get me through Bruno and Koga, but needs help against the guy that replaced Lorelei. Can never remember his name.

What do those two berries do?

[Julford Hajime]

The Petaya Berry raises the users special attack by one stage, similar to the special attack boost from Calm Mind. Salac Berry raises the users speed by one stage, which basically means it has half the effect of, say, Agility. There are equivalent stat-boosting berries for attack (Though this one is rarely used), as well as defense and sp. defense (Which I have never seen suggested for use, as once you're in berry-using range you probably won't be benefiting from a stat boost to either of your defenses >.>)

For the most part they're useless in the main game, since they get consumed just like regular berries and are so rare you don't want to lose them. In Wi-fi fights, though, any one-use items you use are restored after the fight, making them more useful since you don't have to worry about never getting them back.

[Drownball-Champ]

Yes! Took down the Elite 4 with basically one Pokemon.

My team was:
Tyranitar L59
Giratina L43
Lucario L42

Tyranitar was really the only one that fought. Giratina came in once to Thunderbolt Lance's Gyarados. Oh yeah, Lucario came out once to take out Vileplume with Iron Tail.

[Yumil]

So, I was breeding sneasels, so I could have a competitive Weaville. You know, simply stuff, like passing pusuit while making it Jolly and passing perfect attack and speed ivs to it. Course I breed a ton of em to pick which one was graced the most by the rng.

Anywho, one of em came out shiny. God, I am so ecstatic, since Sneasel/Weaville are my favorite. Turns out her attack and speed ended up 31 too(rest of her ivs were crap though), so she's good to use anyway:) Im just so happy.

[Drownball-Champ]

Got a japanese ditto earlier today, so I plan on trying for a shiny Dratini and Staryu. How many eggs did it take for you to get the Sneasel?

[mudah.swf]

Got Heart Gold today, with my brother getting Soul Silver. Chose motherfucking Cyndaquil, and an preparing for the first gym.

[Yumil]

Got a japanese ditto earlier today, so I plan on trying for a shiny Dratini and Staryu. How many eggs did it take for you to get the Sneasel?

Well, I was near the end of a box of eggs, so close to thirty. I wasn't really trying to get a shiny, just get the best ivs I could focusing on speed/attack, but I got real lucky.

The odds with a foreign breed are like 1 in 2048, so you gotta really go for it if you are trying for a shiny(or you can rng exploit it on d/p/pl, which I've never been able to successfully pull off>.<)

[Ecks]

The Petaya Berry raises the users special attack by one stage, similar to the special attack boost from Calm Mind. Salac Berry raises the users speed by one stage, which basically means it has half the effect of, say, Agility. There are equivalent stat-boosting berries for attack (Though this one is rarely used), as well as defense and sp. defense (Which I have never seen suggested for use, as once you're in berry-using range you probably won't be benefiting from a stat boost to either of your defenses >.>)

For the most part they're useless in the main game, since they get consumed just like regular berries and are so rare you don't want to lose them. In Wi-fi fights, though, any one-use items you use are restored after the fight, making them more useful since you don't have to worry about never getting them back.

The defensive berries might be used (with some prediction) on Pokemon with the Gluttony ability or with Rest Talk abusers (for those that don't know, that's using Rest, followed by Sleep Talk, so that you can continue attacking while asleep, albeit randomly).

I just want the two to cover my bases. I plan on putting together a BellyZard (a Charizard with Belly Drum as an Egg Move) so I can Belly Drum on the first turn, then Substitute the next 1/4 of my HP away to activate the Salac Berry, then proceed to sweep with a +6 STAB Blaze-boosted physical fire attack, depending on what is viable (the only one that probably won't kill me is Fire Fang... but I hate that 95% accuracy ratio. That one turn that you're counting on the hit is the one turn it'll miss, usually).

Note: The Battle Tower is horrible. They REALLY stack the deck now, where in Platinum it wasn't as noticeable. I have encountered TONS of people abusing BrightPowder (and I know it was BrightPowder, because I was missing 100% accurate moves without any Double Team/Sand Attack use), lots of anti-weakness berries (which isn't really all too unreasonable), and Game Freak threw in a LOT of troll Pokemon to completely piss you off. Fucking Confuse Ray Will-O-Wisp MAGCARGO of all things almost swept one of my teams. Thank God for Toxic Orb Quick Feet Ursaring.

[Great Cartoonist]

Fucking Confuse Ray Will-O-Wisp MAGCARGO of all things almost swept one of my teams. Thank God for Toxic Orb Quick Feet Ursaring.
Personally I prefer a Machamp with Rest and Sleep Talk or a Poison Heal Breloom equipped with a Toxic Orb, but I guess that works too.

[Ecks]

Personally I prefer a Machamp with Rest and Sleep Talk or a Poison Heal Breloom equipped with a Toxic Orb, but I guess that works too.

I like the Ursaring set because STAB Facade after a Swords Dance while poisoned will murdilate EVERYTHING.

Also, I have a Poison Heal Breloom. You use a Spore Puncher set? (Spore + Focus Punch)

[Great Cartoonist]

Also, I have a Poison Heal Breloom. You use a Spore Puncher set? (Spore + Focus Punch)
Hot dang I do. Comes with Substitute and Leech Seed for added safety, though maybe I should drop the Leech Seed in favor of an additional attack, like Seed Bomb.

[Ecks]

Hot dang I do. Comes with Substitute and Leech Seed for added safety, though maybe I should drop the Leech Seed in favor of an additional attack, like Seed Bomb.

I took Seed Bomb and Stone Edge for coverage. Hit those pesky Flyers who come in on Focus Punch or Seed Bomb. That and I rarely ever lead with Breloom. I usually have Ninjask pass it a Sub and some Speed Boosts anyway. I've also got Jolteon to pass a Wish or two, though with Toxic Orb + Poison Heal that's HARDLY necessary, given Poison Heal being effectively double Leftovers.

Also, slightly off topic, you gonna update that LP tonight?

[Yrcrazypa]

See? This is why I refuse to play any Pokemon games online. My idea of a good team is to get a Gyrados, a fully evolved starter, and whatever else I feel like using. I would get destroyed by Bidarels and Bidoofs if I went online.

[Jagos]

See? This is why I refuse to play any Pokemon games online. My idea of a good team is to get a Gyrados, a fully evolved starter, and whatever else I feel like using. I would get destroyed by Bidarels and Bidoofs if I went online.

Amen. I swear playing against others takes the fun out of it. It's as if the need to win becomes...

Serious BUSINESS!

[Ecks]

See? This is why I refuse to play any Pokemon games online. My idea of a good team is to get a Gyrados, a fully evolved starter, and whatever else I feel like using. I would get destroyed by Bidarels and Bidoofs if I went online.

Shit, I rarely ever play online. This stuff is for the Battle Tower.

Amen. I swear playing against others takes the fun out of it. It's as if the need to win becomes...

Serious BUSINESS!

And to be honest, I just put together a team full of Pokemon I like and enjoy using. Whether or not it's "standard" as Smogon calls it, or whether or not it's used in the same "tier" (again, Smogon) I couldn't give a shit. Those Guys need to Stop Having Fun, because they make Pokemon sound like fugging Super Smash Bros. and all the massive circle jerking those Tourneyfags get around to doing...

[Julford Hajime]

On the other side, I find Pokemon more fun BECAUSE of the circlejerk-fest called Shoddy Battle. Playing through the old games is fun and I still start new files on my old Silver cartridge just for the hell of it, using whatever I deem fun for that runthrough (5 Furret + HM Slave run - TRY IT), but the layers and level of planning that goes on to make Shoddy Battle as intense as it is gives the game a whole different level of fun.

Basically, the in-game stuff is one beast, and the wifi stuff is a whole 'nother beast; The only real connecting aspect is that they're both Pokemon.

[Umbee]

I have a ton of respect for the people who have the patience to build a competitive team and figure out a good strategy, especially if they're doing so in the actual games and not some online battle simulator. But it's not for me. My strategy is always to blast everything to death with whatever move causes the most damage.

I'm not at all ashamed to admit that half my SoulSilver team consists of legendaries. I'm having fun. Sure, it makes the game easy. If I want a challenge, then I'll do something to make the game more difficult. Like that all-Sunkern run I've been thinking about.

[Great Cartoonist]

Well, the Battle Frontier is pretty challenging in itself, as they don't let you use super-legendaries and every trainer you face has a team designed to defeat you and specifically you.

Everything before that was just a warmup.

[Melfice]

So, I was going to pick this game up, yeah?
Turns out it's been recalled for the Netherlands and the Dutch-speaking area of Belgium, due to a programming flaw.

Melfice say what now? Since when did they start translating the games to Dutch? Oh, they haven't started doing that, you say? Then why are only the Dutch speaking areas affected?

This smells like they recalled it because a bigger market ran out and needed more. ¬__¬ Could be wrong, and there really IS a programming error, but it wouldn't explain why only the Dutch version (which is IDENTICAL to the English one aside from the packaging) is affected.

[POS Industries]

My strategy is always to blast everything to death with whatever move causes the most damage.
That's what we in the business call playing like a MAN.

EDIT: And it's nice to see that this game has managed to make me want to choke the shit out of Whitney and make a jacket out of her Miltank's skin all over again.

[Token]

I never got why people hated Whitney so much. There's a cave full of rock types two towns before her. Graveller/Golem can fuck her shit right up.

Anyway, I'm leveling up, because while beating Red with a bunch of 40's, two 50's, and a level 7 Machop is fun, they won't do much competitively. As of now, my team is:
Brobat 53
Tybrosion 57
Brogefist 53
Amphabros 55
Metabross 57
Embroleon 63

I've found a juvenile pleasure in nicknaming all appropriate Pokémon as Brokémon. There is a much bigger amount of these than one would expect, though they can get pretty rediculous. Brobroke, Brobro, and Broking are particularly cringe worthy. On the other hand, I quite like Articunbro and Zapdbros. Fuck Moltres.

[greed]

Surprised you didn't make a terrible "hos before bros" joke with Ho-Bro.

[Token]

Surprised you didn't make a terrible "hos before bros" joke with Ho-Bro.

Hos are never before Bros. Not even for a joke. As Billy Shakespeare would say, "bretheren afore wenches."

[POS Industries]

Brotodile would be a reasonable addition.

[DarkDrgon]

Hos are never before Bros. Not even for a joke. As Billy Shakespeare would say, "bretheren afore wenches."

Bro-Ho? it works both ways

[Azisien]

Finally had that local level 25 tournament last night. I came away with second place...out of five. :p

General grumbling of traded Lapras' and Snorlaxes mopping up the place, but my Butterfree owned.

[mudah.swf]

Man the Pokewalker thing is the stuff of genius. I've been taking Hoppip with me for walks when I head out :3

[Yumil]

I've been taking my Nazi Wobbuffet with me. He's a great thing to laugh at during the day.

[Ecks]

Just EV'd my Bird Trio... gave them all names from Norse mythology after deciding the only appropriate name for Zapdos was Thor.

I swear, those Battle Tower trainers AFTER the first Palmer fight are master fucking trolls. I've been spanked by shit I would normally rape the hell out of. And THEY FUCKING TAUNT YOU WHEN YOU LOSE AND YOU RAGE SOOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD that when you finally encounter them again, there is such sweet, sweet justice in the pounding you give them...

Also, I moved all my important stuffs off Platinum and have DELETED FUCKING EVERYTHING (just the rest of the save data really) so I can start a new playthrough. I have been contemplating a Let's Play (as if we REALLY need another one) however, as this is a physical copy and not a ROM, I don't really have any way of getting screenshots. I could do a whole thing where I pull backgrounds and such off the interwebs, and just do dialogue with little avatars (a la GC's 1st Gen LP) but that seems like too much work for a lazy guy like me. Thoughts?

[Token]

I'm going to be blunt: Pokèmon Let's Plays are horrible, time comsuming things. They will make you loathe anything you may have loved about the game. Besides, we have one going, and two on hiatus right now. You'd need something uber-special to set a new one apart.

[Ecks]

I'm going to be blunt: Pokèmon Let's Plays are horrible, time comsuming things. They will make you loathe anything you may have loved about the game. Besides, we have one going, and two on hiatus right now. You'd need something uber-special to set a new one apart.

Like, what, Pokemon Platinum, a horrible sense of humor, plenty of free time in the evenings- You know what, I'm not even gonna go there. I would quit within a month. I'm WAY too lazy to even undertake something of this suckitude. It takes a special kind of person to do it man, and Token, you horrible little bastard, you're that special kind of person. To a lesser extent, GC... but yeah.

While we're on the subject, how's yours coming along, Token?

[POS Industries]

I never got why people hated Whitney so much. There's a cave full of rock types two towns before her. Graveller/Golem can fuck her shit right up.
If I'd wanted to use a rock type I'd have pulled the Golem out of my bank and used that. As it stood, I was mostly just getting screwed over by her Miltank's Scrappy ability and held Lum Berry taking all the fun out of my Gastly and Attract taking all the fight out of my male Riolu. The whole thing was mostly just a learning experience about being prepared for the G/S/C version of a fight when HG/SS is a whole different ballgame. It was not a mistake I made again.

TL;DR Whitney is the only gym leader that I actually had to try against and such insolence infuriates me.

Getting the last bit of leveling out of the way now before the Elite Four and waiting for midnight to pick up a Fire Stone from the Pokeathlon vendor, because my poor little Vulpix is just getting his shit wrecked at every turn at this point.

[Ecks]

If I'd wanted to use a rock type I'd have pulled the Golem out of my bank and used that. As it stood, I was mostly just getting screwed over by her Miltank's Scrappy ability and held Lum Berry taking all the fun out of my Gastly and Attract taking all the fight out of my male Riolu. The whole thing was mostly just a learning experience about being prepared for the G/S/C version of a fight when HG/SS is a whole different ballgame. It was not a mistake I made again.

TL;DR Whitney is the only gym leader that I actually had to try against and such insolence infuriates me.

Getting the last bit of leveling out of the way now before the Elite Four and waiting for midnight to pick up a Fire Stone from the Pokeathlon vendor, because my poor little Vulpix is just getting his shit wrecked at every turn at this point.

I can't seem to remember what I ended up doing... oh well, it must not have been as trolltastic as fucking MORTY.

[POS Industries]

I can't seem to remember what I ended up doing... oh well, it must not have been as trolltastic as fucking MORTY.
Well, I had a Rash Haunter with Shadow Punch and a Croconaw with Bite so he pretty much folded like a bad hand when I took him on.

[Ecks]

Well, I had a Rash Haunter with Shadow Punch and a Croconaw with Bite so he pretty much folded like a bad hand when I took him on.

I had a Zubat. That I was raising for a Crobat. I actually had to leave the Gym and evolve him... but goddamn his Gengars just love to spam Shadow Ball the whole match... raping anything that didn't have stupid high Sp. Def and a resistance to Ghost.

[Azisien]

Ariados, use Shadow Sneak!

*blood splash*

Ariados? :(

[Malek]

I pulled a level 14 Stantler out of storage and made it use hypnosis and astonish until the Gengar was out of the way. The only thing he could use to hurt my stantler was sucker punch, so as long as I only used astonish when he was asleep, my stantler was safe.

[Marc v4.0]

I trained an Absol (Hoenn Sound + Slowpoke Well) and completely toasted that fucker's gym and his stupid Gengar like it was nothing.

[Ecks]

I trained an Absol (Hoenn Sound + Slowpoke Well) and completely toasted that fucker's gym and his stupid Gengar like it was nothing.

Wat. I thought Hoenn Sound didn't start til POST NATIONAL DEX. How... how did... WAT?

[Drownball-Champ]

It doesn't. Marc is either: A) Lying. B) Got one in a trade. or C) Is remembering wrong.

[EDIT] On another note, my entire team is shiny now.

[POS Industries]

Maybe whoever traded it to him used Hoenn Sound.

[Drownball-Champ]

That would cover option (B).

Turns out Alakazam can take the first 3 and almost Karen in the Pokemon League at L.36 with the right moves. I had him with Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Recover, and Psybeam (switched for Psychic during the battle with Will).

If my Lucario had been higher than L.25 I probably could've taken her. Or if Alakazam hadn't been out of Focus Blast PP.

[Marc v4.0]

I am blaming sleep-deprivation-induced insanity because I don't remember posting that at all.

I did use an Absol, but I traded for the egg and hatched it myself. I had wanterd to catch one but then found out I couldn't

[Carade]

If possible, I could use help getting a Growlithe from my Diamond cartridge to my SoulSilver cartridge. Since GTS is being a complete pain in the ass, it would be appreciated if one of you could help me with this particular situation.

[POS Industries]

If possible, I could use help getting a Growlithe from my Diamond cartridge to my SoulSilver cartridge. Since GTS is being a complete pain in the ass, it would be appreciated if one of you could help me with this particular situation.
I can give you a hand with it. FC is 3910 9930 0613 and my name's Pants.

[Carade]

Soul Silver name: Carade
FC: 2364 8381 0315

Diamond name: Giacomo
FC: 0002 6060 5096

I'll get into the Wi-Fi room and start the trade, trade me some worthless, piece of crap pokemon that you won't mind losing. Like an oddish or something.

[POS Industries]

Of course. One failed gastly breeding experiment, coming right up.

[Carade]

Alright, thanks for that man. I owe you one.

[Ecks]

That would cover option (B).

Turns out Alakazam can take the first 3 and almost Karen in the Pokemon League at L.36 with the right moves. I had him with Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Recover, and Psybeam (switched for Psychic during the battle with Will).

If my Lucario had been higher than L.25 I probably could've taken her. Or if Alakazam hadn't been out of Focus Blast PP.

Give him Signal Beam via move tutor (if that's available). Works like a charm on not just dark types, but also other psychics.

[Regulus Tera]

Yup.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2pqqmog.jpg

Some images have surfaced across the net. It seems to be an iteration of the HeartGold & SoulSilver engine, with more emphasis in the 3D effects (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Eno9jTT7k). There's also been talk about a dynamic camera engine for battles (think Golden Sun).

So, hype and shit.

Edit: New forum doesn't do acute accents? Awww..... :(

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Damn I'm loving the design of that city. The game looks great and seems to be on the normal DS.

[Roland]

They seriously went with Black/White this time around? For realzies? I don't know what to say.

[BitVyper]

S'long as they don't do a horrible ad campaign like the PSP did, I don't really see why people are fussing about it.

[Geminex]

They seriously went with Black/White this time around? For realzies? I don't know what to say.

That was my first reaction as well, but I think that, in this case "Black and White does not racism make". I mean, they've gone through quite a few colors, and gemstones. It seems like they've been avoiding it for a while. And black/white are very significant colors, yes? Sure, there's unfortunate implications, but I very much doubt they'll be modeling their legendaries (or any of their new pokemon) off the black/white concept. As long as they're not being blatantly racist and treating the colors as just that, colors, I don't think we can condemn them.

...

And besides, if you wanted to condemn nintendo for racism, you could have done so after generation 3 still steadfastly featured only white characters and NPCs.

[Regulus Tera]

why does it always devolve into discussions about racism

they are just freaking colours ffs

[POS Industries]

why does it always devolve into discussions about racism

they are just freaking colours ffs
Plus it's the Japanese, who generally feel that anyone who isn't native Japanese can go fuck themselves to hell regardless of race anyway.

Personally, I just feel that "Black and White" is trying to hard to be edgy and cool and dark but I guess that's what I get for having grown up in the 90s.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

If it does get censored, they'll just change the name to Pokemon Light, and Pokemon Dark.

Or Pokemon Day and Pokemon Night.

[Premmy]

Seriously, Kids, I haven't even POSTED yet, and you're doing my "de-railing it into racism" bit for me? Yeesh, and seriously,
The First Games were
Red
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Yellow
http://ftwgames.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/61ph3g5r9ml.jpg[/IMG]"]http://asianloveblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/polka-dot-big-tits-asian-honey.jpg
Green
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and Blue
http://something2010.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/pokemon-blue.jpg[/IMG]"]http://lostinreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/zoe.jpg

So black and white only make sense.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

To be honest the chances of this being censored are very low. I have a better chance of borrowing $200 dollars from one of you guys then this game's chances of getting a name change.

[POS Industries]

and Blue
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/pokeblue_gb.jpg[/IMG]"]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/blue.jpg

[Regulus Tera]

why does it have to be racism

why cannot "ying and yang" be the first thing that jumps out to you guys

[POS Industries]

Because we've got racism coming out the ying yang, that's why.

[Premmy]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/pokeblue_gb.jpg[/IMG]"]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/blue.jpg
I don't want to fuck any of them.

[Regulus Tera]

Because we've got racism coming out the ying yang, that's why.

well ok how about oreo cookies

[POS Industries]

I don't want to fuck any of them.
The one on the left's an old bro of mine, so I'll let him know.

I'm sure he'll be positively crushed.

No, really.

Really.

Dude.

Really.

EDIT: I mean, it's his birthday and everything.

EDIT EDIT: Really.

[Premmy]

Really?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

why does it have to be racism

why cannot "ying and yang" be the first thing that jumps out to you guys

Because sometimes consumers blow things way out of proportion and we live in a world where someone really would try to sue Nintendo for a quick buck for offending them. Soccer moms seem more tame now a days though.

Really we're worrying about this way too much. Pokemon never had a problem like that before. I don't see it having any problems now.

[POS Industries]

Really?
Nah, he's not into dudes.

[Premmy]

Because sometimes consumers blow things way out of proportion and we live in a world where someone really would try to sue Nintendo for a quick buck for offending them. Soccer moms seem more tame now a days though.

Really we're worrying about this way too much. Pokemon never had a problem like that before. I don't see it having any problems now.

See man, here we were, Oggling titties and beefcakes, and Cracking jokes, and you go and make me bring http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/12045/images/jynx.gif
well ok how about oreo cookies
Funny you should mention that... (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oreo)

[Geminex]

AHEM.

If anyone gets to post that, it's the guy who had it as an avatar for a month.

[Regulus Tera]

Oreo cookies man.

http://i39.tinypic.com/3147z9s.jpg

Everybody loves them and they are black and white.

You guys should feel ashamed.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'm guessing the perfect version is Pokemon Grey. Ehh that doesn't have much of a great ring to it as Pokemon Black and White. Maybe they'll call it something else.

[Premmy]

AHEM.

If anyone gets to post that, it's the guy who had it as an avatar for a month.

I did it so you wouldn't have to, I do this because I love you.

[Regulus Tera]

I'm guessing the perfect version is Pokemon Grey. Ehh that doesn't have much of a great ring to it as Pokemon Black and White. Maybe they'll call it something else.

Pok?mon Rainbow

Fake edit: No sparkle either? O:

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Pok?mon Rainbow

Fake edit: No sparkle either? O:

They did say that not all of the old stuff is up on here.

[Premmy]

Damn, Just realized I coulda put up an Irish Chick for green, or probably a dude to even out the ratio, leave it like it is? or change it? YOU DECIDE!

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Got it, Pokemon Crimson.

[Premmy]

Now that's just silly.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

It's better then rainbow.

There's also Pokemon Brown, Pokemon Oynx, and Pokemon Steel as possible names.

[Premmy]

Man, The images I got trying to look up "Hardcore" "Gangsta" and "Badass" in conjunction with rainbow have convinced me to go take a nap.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

It is very late. A few hours from sun rise.

[Geminex]

Oreo cookies man.

http://i39.tinypic.com/3147z9s.jpg

Everybody loves them and they are black and white.

You guys should feel ashamed.

I am writing to inform you about my enormous disappointment regarding the lack of oreo-themed, softcore porn hidden in that picture.
Horribly, horribly disappointed.

Shame on you.
Shame.

I'm guessing the perfect version is Pokemon Grey. Ehh that doesn't have much of a great ring to it as Pokemon Black and White. Maybe they'll call it something else.
Perhaps there won't be a perfect version. There wasn't one for generation II, either.
Though that doesn't seem in keeping with nintendo's "sell anything people will buy" policy.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Gen II's was Crystal. I don't see Nintendo not making a perfect Version to make a profit. But this being Gen V could be the one gen to not get a perfect version.

[Geminex]

Gen II's was Crystal. I don't see Nintendo not making a perfect Version to make a profit. But this being Gen V could be the one gen to not get a perfect version.

Ah. Right. Totally knew that. Totally.

Or, well, didn't really, but was misled by the fact that there was no remake of Crystal in Gen 4.

Maybe they'll go back to the gemstones or precious metals for the Perfect Version, then. I mean, platinum doesn't have all that much to do with diamond or pearl. They'll find something. And we will pay more for it than if we just bought the weight on the gamecard in whatever substance it's named after.

[Premmy]

All this talking,and not the least bit of Racist Eyecandy, the fuck is wrong with you people?
edit: Gotta do every-damn thing myself GOD!
am writing to inform you about my enormous disappointment regarding the lack of oreo-themed, softcore porn hidden in that picture.
Horribly, horribly disappointed.

Shame on you.
Shame.
I got you, man.
http://i39.tinypic.com/3147z9s.jpg[/IMG]"]
http://galleries.extreme-bikinis.com/images/black/black-big-boobs-tiny-white-bikini-02-160x210tn.jpg

[greed]

Huh Black and White? Man I owe a friend $5. I figured this gen would be Infrared and Ultraviolet.

Looks cool anyways, wondering what the new legendaries are gonna be though I meanw what's not covered. Actually anyone know what type combos haven't been in it yet? Off the top of my head I can't think of a fire/bug or ice/bug type, sure there are others missing though.

[Roland]

. . . see, when I said something about the black/white thing I meant was that I thought it wasn't very original. But then they reused precious stones and metals for Gen 4, so yeah it's kinda silly to expect them to come up with something new.

Like the 3D, though. It looks neat.

[EVILNess]

If you could play some kind of anti-hero in Black it would be the best Poke-gen ever.

[Fenris]

Pok?mon Rainbow

Fake edit: No sparkle either? O:

That's because it's glitter.

[Dracorion]

Or, well, didn't really, but was misled by the fact that there was no remake of Crystal in Gen 4.

So? They never made a remake of Yellow for Gen III. Granted, Yellow is RGB's retarded younger brother. Nevertheless, my point stands.

Sure, there's unfortunate implications, but I very much doubt they'll be modeling their legendaries (or any of their new pokemon) off the black/white concept.

Zoroark is black. And a Dark type. I would bet money that White's mascot is white.

[Loyal]

So? They never made a remake of Yellow for Gen III. Granted, Yellow is RGB's retarded younger brother. Nevertheless, my point stands.1)They didn't make a remake of Yellow because nobody likes Yellow. Nobody.

2) come on guys, the racism 'thing' should really have been left out of the thread. There isn't a goddamn thing that points to racism here.

3) Although, going with the "light" and "dark" thing, Gen 5.5 could be named "twilight".

Yes I went there.

[Azisien]

Well I am just simply so pumped for another version of Pokemon!

I wonder if Nintendo will decide to really rock the boat and give us Surf before Cut!

Holy shit, they might even have rattata appear before bidoof! HOLY FUCK THE INNOVATION!!!!

[bluestarultor]

1)They didn't make a remake of Yellow because nobody likes Yellow. Nobody.

2) come on guys, the racism 'thing' should really have been left out of the thread. There isn't a goddamn thing that points to racism here.

3) Although, going with the "light" and "dark" thing, Gen 5.5 could be named "twilight".

Yes I went there.

1) I like Yellow. Come on, man, you get ALL THREE STARTERS PLUS PIKACHU. And the Pikachu following you was neat enough that they brought it AND the Pikachu walkers back. A game before its time, man.

2) Sorry, but we've all been burned before. And you know some idiot is going to try something with it.

3) No. And by the way EXTRA no. Rumor has it that Meyer is going to be writing a fifth book and putting an author surrogate into it. No, not Bella. As in she's actually going to have Stephanie Meyer in the book. The day Pokemon falls in with that is the day Nintendo is burned to the ground, either by Twilight fans for daring to take the name from their goddess or by everyone else for tarnishing the company with tripe.

[Tev]

Well I am just simply so pumped for another version of Pokemon!

I wonder if Nintendo will decide to really rock the boat and give us Surf before Cut!

Holy shit, they might even have rattata appear before bidoof! HOLY FUCK THE INNOVATION!!!!One of these days I hope to be able to pick my own starting pokemon from a large list of non-legendaries and start my adventure my own way.

[Bells]

Can i be the one to say it...?

Not very excited.

Sure, "Black and white"... lame name. Quartz and Onix would be better, Hell, just give me Pokemon Plutonium and Pokemon Uranium and i'll shut up forever!

But the whole "BW" thing is just a throwback to the old days, it ties to the "reboot" image they want to pass with this title, so that's ok.

Now, so far, the only thing new i saw was "We tilted the camera a tad more, and now there is more 3d"... ok... so?

For "complete reboot" i'm expecting a major blowout with some serious changes to the battle mechanics and gameplay in general. I don't mean new features or tweaks, i mean actuall goddamn changes.

Also, no Backwards compatibility. You should get all pokemons with these titles, and everyone starts from scratch. That's what Reboot should mean. At most, you should be able to do something like, get items based on your pokemons from previous games or battle your character from previous games in tournaments.

PS: Also, now with the new forums, these icons on the left side, under our avvy's just remind me of Gym Badges for some god damn reason...

[Dracorion]

Now, so far, the only thing new i saw was "We tilted the camera a tad more, and now there is more 3d"... ok... so?

For "complete reboot" i'm expecting a major blowout with some serious changes to the battle mechanics and gameplay in general. I don't mean new features or tweaks, i mean actuall goddamn changes.

Also, no Backwards compatibility. You should get all pokemons with these titles, and everyone starts from scratch. That's what Reboot should mean. At most, you should be able to do something like, get items based on your pokemons from previous games or battle your character from previous games in tournaments.

That'd be nice, but how much of this game have we seen? Maybe Nintendo really is doing a whole Reboot and they just want to save the fangasming for later. Probably not, of course, but it's nice to imagine.

PS: Also, now with the new forums, these icons on the left side, under our avvy's just remind me of Gym Badges for some god damn reason...

My Charmander just cannot get past Misty.

[Ecks]

Also, no Backwards compatibility. You should get all pokemons with these titles, and everyone starts from scratch. That's what Reboot should mean. At most, you should be able to do something like, get items based on your pokemons from previous games or battle your character from previous games in tournaments.

Already debunked. The special Raikou, Entei, and Suicune with the special moves that Japanese Pokemon Movie goers are getting will unlock something in B/W, a la Movie Regigigas and Movie Arceus did for Plat and HG/SS respectively. So yeah, we're gonna get to move our Pokeymans up to Gen V from IV. Probably via Pal Park, but there IS some untapped potential via Time Capsule (how the original GSC traded with RBY). Again, it's not CONFIRMED, but given the release data for the special Beast Trio is out... it's implied.

Sauce is serebii.net News page here (http://serebii.net/index2.shtml)

[bluestarultor]

One of these days I hope to be able to pick my own starting pokemon from a large list of non-legendaries and start my adventure my own way.

The title of "legendary" has lost all meaning, anyway. They may as well let you pick from Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres as starters for all it matters anymore. XP

[Tev]

The title of "legendary" has lost all meaning, anyway. They may as well let you pick from Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres as starters for all it matters anymore. XP

Well here's what I'm wanting to see in a new Pokemon game:

1.) One damn cartridge. I totally understand that for marketing purposes it encourages multi-player/people buying more than one cartridge if some pokemon don't evolve unless they are traded. I'm fine with that. Just give me access to the basics of everything in one damn game.

2.) All the pokemon and all the regions all combined into one game.

3.) The ability to pick my own gender/character graphic as well as my own starting pokemon from a list of things that live around that town.

4.) A "choose my own adventure" based story system based of the choices I make during character creation and journey I take from town to town.

Really, as far as I can tell all pokemon games are the same. I've not spent money on the Pokemon franchise since Blue and Red. I couldn't even justify re-buying their re-makes two generations later. I really think if Nintendo just made a giant omni-game that allowed me just a little more autonomy I'd be willing to get back into the fray.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Well here's what I'm wanting to see in a new Pokemon game:

1.) One damn cartridge. I totally understand that for marketing purposes it encourages multi-player/people buying more than one cartridge if some pokemon don't evolve unless they are traded. I'm fine with that. Just give me access to the basics of everything in one damn game.

2.) All the pokemon and all the regions all combined into one game.

3.) The ability to pick my own gender/character graphic as well as my own starting pokemon from a list of things that live around that town.

4.) A "choose my own adventure" based story system based of the choices I make during character creation and journey I take from town to town.

Really, as far as I can tell all pokemon games are the same. I've not spent money on the Pokemon franchise since Blue and Red. I couldn't even justify re-buying their re-makes two generations later. I really think if Nintendo just made a giant omni-game that allowed me just a little more autonomy I'd be willing to get back into the fray.

Sadly the bolded is damn near impossible without regressing the graphics back to GBA graphics due to the DS cards having limited space. 3DS maybe if it's cards can fit up to over 2 GB of game data (which it just might), but DS, no.

But they probably could add feature close to that stuff but it won't be anything special.

Hell If it's on the Wii or Zii it could be done plus they could add even more content.

[Premmy]

Also, the starter zone is always nothing but bugs, rats, and birds, I wouldn't want to pick from that.

[bluestarultor]

Sadly the bolded is damn near impossible without regressing the graphics back to GBA graphics due to the DS cards having limited space. 3DS maybe if it's cards can fit up to over 2 GB of game data (which it just might), but DS, no.

Probably could if they didn't have that craptastic 3D. Seriously, I have no idea why they keep trying to put 3D on the DS. It invariably looks like ass and it eats up space and processing power that could be going to better things.

[akaSM]

2.) All the pokemon and all the regions all combined into one game.

I would buy that ASAP, I don't care if they use GBA graphics in a DS game, or if it's a game for the Wii/whatever comes after it.

[Art of Hilt]

I like the name. I don't care. It's simple. It doesn't overcomplicate things. No silly gemstones making me think I'm supposed to feel like a princess or some fruity medieval knight what puts decorations on his sword. Black. White. Like a nice minimal ink drawing.

I thought that would also mean that it is going back to 'Pokemon basics', until I realized that I had no idea what that would mean in this context, and also because... well, new 3D landscape doesn't really say 'back to basics' as much as it says "We will continue pushing the FUCK out of this envelope even if the envelope AIN'T THERE".

[Tev]

Also, the starter zone is always nothing but bugs, rats, and birds, I wouldn't want to pick from that.What I meant by that was being able to start with pokemon found around the area that is your starting town. Like if you wanted a variety of fire pokemon to choose from you'd start in Cinibar Island. Or if plants were your thing you'd be some body from Celedon. There'd be a disproportional amount of pokemon based on the Gym Leader of the town as the game would assume that growing up in said town you would either idealize or revile the Gym Leader and then there would also be a handful of choices based on whatever other wild pokemon live in the surrounding area.

[Roland]

No silly gemstones making me think I'm supposed to feel like a princess

You say this like it's a bad thing.

[Julford Hajime]

No silly gemstones making me think I'm supposed to feel like a princessYou say this like it's a bad thing.

Indeed. Being a princess is the best thing.

[mauve]

Kind of a random question, but would you guys suggest HeartGold/SoulSilver or Platinum as the better starting point for someone who's never played a pokemon game before?

[Julford Hajime]

Probably Platinum, as HG/SS kinda have that "You've played this before, we won't hold your hands this time" feel to it, and Platinum felt like you weren't expected to know/do everything ASAP.

[POS Industries]

I would say that HG/SS probably has the most to offer overall, but with the right friends there's not a whole lot you can't get hooked up with pokemon-wise regardless of which version you pick up. Also, while HG/SS has some neat features of its own (fuck all y'all bitches, I like having a pokemon out following me), a great deal of its content is pure nostalgia factor for both the original Gold and Silver as well as Red and Blue in the latter half of the game.

So I dunno, go with the game that has the starter you like best (or hate least), maybe?

[Donomni]

Man, you guys disappoint me for the lack of logical conclusion for the Black/White nonsense. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmALA8miQY8)

Also, this is(possibly) the female protagonist. (http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9395/pony.png) Concept art, methinks.

[bluestarultor]

I would buy that ASAP, I don't care if they use GBA graphics in a DS game, or if it's a game for the Wii/whatever comes after it.

This is more what I'm talking about, here. There's nothing inherently wrong with GBA graphics. They're at the very least 16-bit, which is plenty for that resolution. Hell, the consoles were using it not too long ago (relatively speaking) and nobody complained. Chrono Cross is still one of the prettiest games ever made. Looking at it this way, if the GBC was most closely related to the NES in terms of hardware (and it was, scarily so), then the GBA was the SNES and the DS is the N64. Looking at them all, the graphics are pretty comparable to those consoles. Now if we can get past the addiction to bad 3D we seem to have, we can go back to good 2D and save the resources for more game. Maybe they'll finally get the Safari Zone working again. They've only had four generations to solve the bugs at this point.

[Julford Hajime]

They've had Safari Zones in all of the 4th gen games >.>

[Ecks]

I'm going on record as saying that HG/SS had the best Safari Zone. Screw the Great Marsh.

Also: We're not gonna see any more info on B/W until about mid-May. So I'm gonna reserve my comments/complaints/whathaveyou until then.

That said, HAY GUISE, I'LL GIVE YOU FIVE POKEMON THAT ARE GONNA BE IN B/W GUARANTEED!

ZUBAT, GEODUDE, WINGULL, BIDOOF, AND TENTACOOL!

[Tev]

That said, HAY GUISE, I'LL GIVE YOU FIVE POKEMON THAT ARE GONNA BE IN B/W GUARANTEED!

ZUBAT, GEODUDE, WINGULL, BIDOOF, AND TENTACOOL!No Ratata?

[Ecks]

No Ratata?

OKAY, I OVERLOOKED SOMETHING THERE GUISE!

KICK BIDOOF OFF THE LIST AND SUBSTITUTE:

GENERIC NORMAL TYPE THAT ONLY EVOLVES ONCE! YOU'LL BE LUCKY IF IT EVEN BECOMES A DUAL TYPE, FUCKERS!

[Ecks]

Probably Platinum, as HG/SS kinda have that "You've played this before, we won't hold your hands this time" feel to it, and Platinum felt like you weren't expected to know/do everything ASAP.

I kinda sorta agree, but man, are you in for some Wake Up Call and That One Boss style hurt.

I would say that HG/SS probably has the most to offer overall, but with the right friends there's not a whole lot you can't get hooked up with pokemon-wise regardless of which version you pick up. Also, while HG/SS has some neat features of its own (fuck all y'all bitches, I like having a pokemon out following me), a great deal of its content is pure nostalgia factor for both the original Gold and Silver as well as Red and Blue in the latter half of the game.

So I dunno, go with the game that has the starter you like best (or hate least), maybe?

I also agree with this one. Keeps the pacing of the original G/S/C, so you're usually not underleveled, as you are in Platinum for the second half of the game. Great way to experience both Johto AND Kanto if you're a first timer.

Also, as I'm assuming you have WiFi... you have us to help you out if you get stuck or need to trade for something. So, yeah, my HG friend code is in my sig, so you know you can "bug" me if you need anything.

[mauve]

Sweet. I just bought a DS a few weeks ago so I've never tried using the wifi function, but it's good to know!

I think I'm gonna go with SoulSilver. I might pick up a copy this weekend, if I don't get one as a late birthday gift. I dropped some *cough* subtle hints that I might be interested in the game, so we'll see what happens.

If I have SoulSilver, can I play via wifi with people who have HeartGold?

[Great Cartoonist]

Well of course, why would they NOT have that functionality?

Once you get wifi access, try contacting a few of our fellow trainers here. They may be able to help you through with a few gifts.

[Julford Hajime]

You can fight/trade/PlayEmbarassingMiniGames with any fourth gen game, aka Diamond/Pearl/Platinum/HeartGold/SoulSilver.

And I'd totally be willing to give you any/all the starters from all four generations, as I have stockpiles of each :D

[POS Industries]

You can also team up with people for double battles in the Battle Frontier, which is unlocked after beating the champion for the first time. It's basically an added grind for moves and items you couldn't get otherwise, but you get way more points if you do it 2-player. Plus it's just more fun that way.

I would, naturally, be more than happy to help you in that regard.

[mauve]

Nice! Thanks everybody! I might take you guys up on the battling/item swap/pokemon trading offers if I can get the wifi working.

[DarkDrgon]

can someone explain DS wifi to me, it never seems to want to connect to my router.

[bluestarultor]

They've had Safari Zones in all of the 4th gen games >.>

I was under the impression that Gold/Silver removed it because of the glitches, but that was about the point where I stopped caring, so if they solved the bugs, I have to say kudos to them. I'm just surprised it took that long, but then I know jack about what language they were using or how hard it would be given the various specific factors needed to break it in the first place.

[Ecks]

Something about glitches and language

Dammit, there I go again being an ignorant American, forgetting about our long lost European cousins and their plight. I forgot European Safari Zones were bugged for some reason and that's what caused the delay... But they wouldn't have just NOT done them, blues, Johto's Safari Zone was a MAJOR point they were advertising ever since details came out. They were constantly lauding the new Safari Zone as the best ever designed (and I have to say, I agree wholeheartedly. Again, fuck you Great Marsh, you sucked.)

[Ecks]

can someone explain DS wifi to me, it never seems to want to connect to my router.

Okay, for starters you need to go into the title screen, and then to the main menu. Somewhere in the main menu should be a screen for Configure WiFi Settings or some such phrase. If you have a wireless router, your DS should be able to detect it. Then, if it's protected, you need to input your WEP Key (or whatever you use to protect your internet router), and then do a connection test. If it keeps failing, it'll give you error codes that you can input at the Nintendo website for troubleshooting advice.

If you do NOT have a wireless router, you're gonna have to buy a Nintendo WiFi USB adapter that plugs into your PC and uses your PC's connection to access the internet. You can order those online.

[mudah.swf]

I really hope they give us different types for the starters. I just think it would be interesting to have something other than Fire, Water and Grass to choose from. Ditching HMs would be an excellent start too.

[Ecks]

I really hope they give us different types for the starters. I just think it would be interesting to have something other than Fire, Water and Grass to choose from. Ditching HMs would be an excellent start too.

They won't break out of Fire/Water/Grass. It's the perfect type balance, as one is supereffective against one and resists the other. I don't think there's another triangle just like it, but if someone wants to do the mental gymnastics to figure it out, go ahead and post it to prove me wrong.

Ditching HMs would be an EXCELLENT IDEA. Instead, take something from those other spin off titles, like that Field Move thing where each Pokemon is capable of doing something.

Only problem with that would be that it would be impossible to gate people into areas anymore. They'd have to use lame stuff like NPCs blocking the path. Not that using Cut Hedges, Moveable Boulders, Smashable Rocks, Climbable Terrain, and Traverse-able Water and Waterfalls and Whirlpools is much better, but at least it's kinda sorta like Metroidvania that way.

[Loyal]

They won't break out of Fire/Water/Grass. It's the perfect type balance, as one is supereffective against one and resists the other. I don't think there's another triangle just like it, but if someone wants to do the mental gymnastics to figure it out, go ahead and post it to prove me wrong.

Fighting/Dark/Psychic.

C'mon, best triangle EVER.

[Naqel]

Fighting/Dark/Psychic.

Rumors of that being an option circle the internet since they announced they're not waiting for a new system with 5th gen.

IMO while cool, it makes it feel a bit too brutal. It's no longer a balance of elements rooted in tradition, but a contest between ways of hurting each other.
Violence, much like sexuality, should only go with pokemon in sick fanfics, even if the series already bases on enslaving wildlife to have it solve your conflicts or entertainment.

[Premmy]

I mean, it makes conceptual sense,
Fighting: Relying on brute force
Psychic: relying on Superior Tactics
Dark: Opportunism, Dirty Fighting.

[Naqel]

That's not my point though. :P

What I mean is that from changing the starter theme from balance of forces of nature or whatever the original intent was to this set, based of different ways of hurting each other(physically, mentally and via cruelty/terror, and yes you can look at it that way too), they'd give a darker tone to the series, even if they'd try to remedy that feeling with cute designs like another playboy inspired bunny or something, since they'll have to grow into second evolution, more intimidating forms.

It's not much of a big concern though, I'm just voicing this way of seeing it to spark a discussion.

[BloodyMage]

Problem is that they'd have to introduce a pure dark type that evolves twice since there currently is no pokemon that have three evolutions and is pure dark. They might also need to do the same thing for the psychic type since the only two pure psychic pokemon evolve twice, one of which is Abra, and the other Ralts.

Not that the new games wouldn't introduce new starter pokemon anyway, but just pointing out that changing the lines to fighting/Psychic/Dark, would imply including new pure psychic and dark tri-evolution lines that evolve through conventional means, which would be a first for both types.

[Premmy]

What I mean is that from changing the starter theme from balance of forces of nature or whatever the original intent was to this set
Is ther any official word that the symbolism was set up like that? I mean the First Games were red, and blue/green so the first starters were Fire(red) Water(blue) and Grass (Green)
based of different ways of hurting each other(physically, mentally and via cruelty/terror, and yes you can look at it that way too), they'd give a darker tone to the series, even if they'd try to remedy that feeling with cute designs like another playboy inspired bunny or something, since they'll have to grow into second evolution, more intimidating forms. Yeah, I mean GOD FORBID they give the third stage of one element type
GUNS
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-ED74B7ZOC0/SfW2JJ_zcFI/AAAAAAAAAFs/RXvf9FrpXig/s320/blastoise1.jpg
I Mean, it doesn't HAVE to be a "darker" thing, Just imagine, Say any kids anime with a Heroic character who outwits his enemies, Uses his fighting spirit to overpower his enemies, or one who uses deception to Trick his enemies. Those can be equally lighthearted.

[Naqel]

Now imagine that doubled and done to a lopunny as a regular pokemon(i.e. not an exaggerated fanart).

I dun want my pokemon like that. D:

First Games were red, and blue/green so the first starters were Fire(red) Water(blue) and Grass (Green)

You can also say it was the other way around, and they named the first games after the colors used to represent the elements/types.

Anyhow, it I still think that no matter intentional or not, the "forces of nature" is a better way to go about it than "tactical approaches", especially that fire, water and grass can also represent those.

It would however be interesting if they went double types, and used BOTH of those triangles. With all starters equal against each other, having main type super effective but sub type with a weakness(making all starters super effective against the each other).

[POS Industries]

If you do NOT have a wireless router, you're gonna have to buy a Nintendo WiFi USB adapter that plugs into your PC and uses your PC's connection to access the internet. You can order those online.
You can pick up a similar adapter from any electronics store and just set it up for access point mode. It's what I run off of.

[Loyal]

IMO while cool, it makes it feel a bit too brutal. It's no longer a balance of elements rooted in tradition, but a contest between ways of hurting each other.
Violence, much like sexuality, should only go with pokemon in sick fanfics, even if the series already bases on enslaving wildlife to have it solve your conflicts or entertainment.We have a game that manages to maintain an attitude, an aura if you will, of affectionate whimsy, despite having creatures which START with the power to level cities and work their way up, creatures that can steal your soul with a glance (yours to them, or the other way around), creatures who are essentially gods, creatures who ARE gods, and various criminal syndicates whose goals and methods grow more destructive and more extreme with every year.

A simple case of which elemental triangle we start with is only as "brutal" and as "dark" as the player reads into it. Cyrus' omnicidal rampage in Platinum was about as dark as the series ever got, and even that was resolved cleanly in a single short chapter.

It would however be interesting if they went double types, and used BOTH of those triangles. With all starters equal against each other, having main type super effective but sub type with a weakness(making all starters super effective against the each other).That is the lamest idea I've ever heard. What's the point of having a rival who smugly picks the starter you're weak against if his Fire/Dark doesn't do any better or worse versus your Water/Psychic?

[Menarker]

I would like to point out that the Fighting/Psychic/Dark thing is unlikely to be accepted because Dark has an immunity to Psychic, while neither Psychic nor Fighting have an immunity, even to the type they are superior against. Kinda unbalanced when compared to the tried but true Fire/Water/Grass.

[greed]

Naqel, you're being dumb, those types have all been around since gen 2, making the game start with them wouldn't make it dark. It's pokemon for fuck's sake. Surprisingly morbid pokedex entries didn't make it dark. Introducing dark type in gen 2 didn't make it dark. Having a dark type Rattata (Poochyena) didn't make it dark. Not even having a freaking expy of Gendo Ikari as a villain made it dark. Having dark, fighting or psychic starters wouldn't do it.


Also Bloodymage what is your point? They always introduce new pokemon as starters why would making it a dark type be different?

And it's all academic anyway as Menarker said, Dark's psychic immunity kinda kills the balance. Though.. bug's weak to fighting right?

Bug>Psychic>Fighting>Bug

A bug starter would be hilarious.

[POS Industries]

Bug and Fighting are both defensively strong against each other. Figure that one out.

[Malek]

That is the lamest idea I've ever heard. What's the point of having a rival who smugly picks the starter you're weak against if his Fire/Dark doesn't do any better or worse versus your Water/Psychic?

They sort of did this already with the GenIV starters, although they didn't start dual-typed, they became dual typed in their final evolutions and gained ways to hit the other starters for super effective damage.
Empoleon is the only exception since he can't hit Torterra for super effective damage with his STAB attacks, but can hit him for 2x damage with drill peck which he learns while leveling, or for 4x damage with ice beam, which he can learn from TM.

[Ecks]

While Pokemon does have a tendency to fix what isn't broken, I'll guarantee they won't break tradition on the starters. Fire/Water/Grass has been a staple of Pokemon since Gen I, just like TM06 being Toxic and HM01 being Cut. Chances are, while Nintendo is going to up the ante in this installment, it is highly doubtful they'll break too far from tradition. Now, the dual type idea is nice, but keep it to final evolutions, as Malek said about the Gen IV starters. Only you have to reverse balance it. That Fire/Dark and Water/Psychic example was horrible.

Say, for example, Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, Water/Fighting. Each is perfectly balanced out to the other. Grass starter is immune to the Fire starter's Psychic attacks and can hit supereffectively, but the Fire starter can still hit supereffectively on the Grass starter; Fire starter can hit Water starter supereffectively with its Psychic attacks, and still be felled by Water starter's Water attacks; Water starter can bash Grass starter's head in with its Fighting attacks for supereffective damage, while still taking supereffective damage itself from the Grass starter.

Also, take into account that, barring a Chlorophyll + Sunny Day combo, most Grass types are slower than Fire types, therefore the immunity to Psychic is somewhat negated.

[Ecks]

You can pick up a similar adapter from any electronics store and just set it up for access point mode. It's what I run off of.

What he said. Thanks POS, totally overlooked that.

[BloodyMage]

Also Bloodymage what is your point? They always introduce new pokemon as starters why would making it a dark type be different?

As of the yet, there is no pure dark type which has three evolutions. My point is simply that I wouldn't expect them to introduce that into a pokemon game as a starter line.

[Donomni]

They could always make fighting and psychic immune to the type they have an advantage over in the starter line if they did F/P/D.

This would also more-or-less require moves that could actually hit their stronger-typed opponent to some degree, but they always have some anyways.

It'd be simple to justify, really: Fighting-types are experts at combat, so they can easily avoid dirty tricks from Dark-types, and Psychics can, you know, read minds, and do so more easily to Fighting-types, letting them predict and avoid such attacks in-battle.

My suggestion would probably break the balance all the hell out, but meh.

[Marc v4.0]

As of the yet, there is no pure dark type which has three evolutions. My point is simply that I wouldn't expect them to introduce that into a pokemon game as a starter line.

It doesn't seem the least bit unreasonable at all, really.

They wouldn't even have to start as a pure Dark type (The entire Bulbasaur line was Grass/Poison. Not a single one of them was just grass) and they can evolve into any combination of Dark/Secondary that fits the theme of the creature.

[BloodyMage]

There hasn't been any dark/secondary pokemon with a three step evolution line either, though introducing that as a starter line would be more likely, if they were to change. I just imagine that the first pure dark type to have three evolutions will be a pseudo-legendary.

[Marc v4.0]

I don't understand the importance or even the significance of the Dark types not having a 3-step line with how it relates to their viability as a starter.

I obviously understand that making a Dark type starter would require them to make up a 3 step, but I don't see how or what that has to do at all with how many or how few there are already. It isn't something that has any weight on the "They Will/They Will not" scale of the Starter discussion.

[mudah.swf]

And why can't there be a three-step Dark starter? Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's totally out of the question.

[Tev]

And why can't there be a three-step Dark starter? Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's totally out of the question.
I think the prevailing argument was that a Dark starter would be harder to balance than the tried and true Grass/Fire/Water starters that have been used for the last four generations of the game.

[BloodyMage]

And why can't there be a three-step Dark starter? Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's totally out of the question.

I don't believe I ever said it was totally out of the question.


I obviously understand that making a Dark type starter would require them to make up a 3 step, but I don't see how or what that has to do at all with how many or how few there are already. It isn't something that has any weight on the "They Will/They Will not" scale of the Starter discussion.

You know I'm not basing this on anything. I can't go google and pull you up some statistics or a graph to prove anything. I'm merely stating that I wouldn't expect them to do such a thing.

[mauve]

What the heck. I bought me a copy of Soul Silver yesterday, and at 9 PM that evening I decided to sit down and play for a half hour or so.

I was up until almost two in the morning leveling up my team and not getting very far in the storyline. Why am I enjoying this so much? It's just random battles with limited animation! Why do enjoy this as much as I do????

My team isn't even that extensive: I just finished at the Violet City gym and all I have is a lv 14 Totodile named Bitey, a level 11 or 12 HootHoot, and then an Onix, Rattata and Ghastly all in the single-digit levels. Poor Bitey ends up doing most of the actual hard work.

[Loyal]

You know I'm not basing this on anything. I can't go google and pull you up some statistics or a graph to prove anything. I'm merely stating that I wouldn't expect them to do such a thing.Which understandably leaves us puzzled as to why you would suggest something like that in the first place, considering that you are by your own admission not basing it on any reason at all, other than "just because". It's like, how the hell does one respond to that?

I think the prevailing argument was that a Dark starter would be harder to balance than the tried and true Grass/Fire/Water starters that have been used for the last four generations of the game.They pulled it off admirably enough with Psychic types. Shouldn't be too big an issue to shift around which is supereffective against what, like making Psychic attacks not completely ineffective against Dark types.

Hell, with the color scheme of the game being Black and White, they could add another, "Light" type, supereffective against Dark, to round out the elemental list to a nice even 18.

[Julford Hajime]

Yeah, that tends to happen :D

[Tev]

Hell, with the color scheme of the game being Black and White, they could add another, "Light" type, supereffective against Dark, to round out the elemental list to a nice even 18.And then to make it even more original, we eschew the three-starter option for a dualist choice of either light or dark and run the game from there.

[Ecks]

What the heck. I bought me a copy of Soul Silver yesterday, and at 9 PM that evening I decided to sit down and play for a half hour or so.

I was up until almost two in the morning leveling up my team and not getting very far in the storyline. Why am I enjoying this so much? It's just random battles with limited animation! Why do enjoy this as much as I do????

My team isn't even that extensive: I just finished at the Violet City gym and all I have is a lv 14 Totodile named Bitey, a level 11 or 12 HootHoot, and then an Onix, Rattata and Ghastly all in the single-digit levels. Poor Bitey ends up doing most of the actual hard work.

That reminds me of the shiny Noctowl I have on my Gold ROM. I was so pissed. "Why can't I find shinies in LEGITIMATE games?" To this day, the only shinies I have are my Lake of Rage Gyarados and the Pikachu Colored Pichu from that event.

Some healthy advice: don't expect your Ghost type to save you when you reach Whitney. Her Miltank has the Scrappy ability, effectively allowing her to hit Ghost-types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. She will literally spam Stomp and Milk Drink ALL FUCKING MATCH.

[Julford Hajime]

Some healthy advice: don't expect your Ghost type to save you when you reach Whitney. Her Miltank has the Scrappy ability, effectively allowing her to hit Ghost-types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. She will literally spam Stomp and Milk Drink ALL FUCKING MATCH.

Note: Curse is still an effective option. It'll be suicide for your Gastly (Who would likely die anyway if he was slower, so MAKE SURE he's faster), but then Miltank would lose 1/4 of its' HP every turn from that point on.

And/Or that Onix you got will totally kick Whitney's ass. Just make sure he's leveled up to around 15-20 and he should be able to take Whitney on.

Also! I'll be on tomorrow to trade you pretty much any starter you want. I have a surplus of Piplup, Chimchar, and Cyndaquil right now, and have been planning to breed some baby starters later tonight.

[Azisien]

And the new dualist starter choice goes perfectly with Nintendo's new atmospheric geared towards a dark, tense, gritty melodrama, with two starting characters:

SNAKE
http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/5/5-most-soulful-eye-patches-in-cinema-00-300-75.jpg
A hard-edged Pokemon trainer raised by Beedrills, Snake spent his teen years bombing PokeCenters and kicking Rattatas as far as he could (his record is 145.8 feet). He eventually grew bored of Kanto and its petty criminal factions, Team Rocket and the Bikers, all of which he strangled before leaving. Now in a new world, he is the self-proclaimed leader of TEAM DARK. Though ruthless, he isn't really creative. Nintendo's new mini-game allows Snake to torture his pokemon when the user presses A on their sprites in-game, as opposed to the usual playing or praising of previous generations. Instead of running shoes and a bike, Snake receives a cigar and motorcycle. Nintendo has unveiled in a recent video a brand new "morality moment (MM)" where the user can press Y at the right moment in conversation to have Snake shank his rivals with a shiv, or bribe authorities with their own money.
Starting Pokemon: Tarmon, the Pitch pokemon of Darkness.





ANGELIE
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Angelie followed in her parents footsteps and helped on the family Lucky Egg farm. Since the pokemon did most of the work, it left Angelie plenty of time to help Bonsly out of trees and frollick with Pachirisu and Mime Jrs. After her mother took on a staunch environmentalist attitude and barred her father from any more Lucky Egg farming, for fear of adversely affecting local Chansey population dynamics, Angelie was forced to become a pokemon trainer to provide income for the family. Instead of random encounters, users playing Angelie normally just engage in a mini-game, controlling Angelie's hand to pet various adorable pokemon. Instead of a single sprite following Angelie, up to 18 can follow her, as long as they are sufficiently puppy-like. Since running would mess up Angelie hair, Angelie instead gets a basket of various freshly baked goods. Once per pokemon battle, Angelie can offer cookies to her opponent for a percentage chance of stopping the battle. Nintendo has also revealed exciting details about Angelie's eventual induction as a PokeCenter nurse about half way through the game's main plot. After that point, players can only roam between the hours of 2 AM and 10 AM real time. During other hours, Angelie must pull long shifts at the PokeCenter to help heal cute, sick little pokemon. A new conversation system allows Angelie to say things like "Hope to see you again REAL soon!" and "Hang on one minute, the healer-thing is jammed up, teehee!" Other possible side quests involve fighting labour boards for equitable wages among PokeCenter nurses, or using the power of love to stop Angelie's father from joining TEAM DARK out of desperation.
Starting Pokemon: As-yet unannounced adorable pokemon. Rumoured to be called "Daaaaawwwww"

[mauve]

Some healthy advice: don't expect your Ghost type to save you when you reach Whitney. I don't expect my Ghost type to save me in ANY situation right now. She's pretty useless against everything but the occasional Bellsprout. It's taking forever to level her up, because I'm always having to switch her out and let someone decent finish her fights for her.

I'm assuming the Ghastly will get better after it levels up and learns something other than Lick and whatever the random status effect thing it has right now, but so far I'm keeping her around for the cuteness factor and little else.


Also! I'll be on tomorrow to trade you pretty much any starter you want. I have a surplus of Piplup, Chimchar, and Cyndaquil right now, and have been planning to breed some baby starters later tonight. Sorry, I gotta go to work tomorrow so I probably won't be on much. Thanks though!!

[Great Cartoonist]

Gastly's final evolution, Gengar, is HELLUVA good. It has one of the highest base special attack values in the game, has high speed, and has awesome special moves in its movepool.
My recommendation is to teach it Substitute, Pain Split, and whatever else for the last two moves (preferably Shadow Ball and Focus Blast for type coverage).

Whitney isn't quite so difficult if you bring in an all-female roster of Pokemon that resist Normal attacks, like Geodude. Or, get someone to trade you a Machop/Machamp, and abuse its Same-Type-Attack-Bonus Fighting moves (moves that share a type with the Pokemon that uses it gets a 50% boost to power).

Oh hey, have I ever told you guys my love for Blissey?

[BloodyMage]

Which understandably leaves us puzzled as to why you would suggest something like that in the first place, considering that you are by your own admission not basing it on any reason at all, other than "just because". It's like, how the hell does one respond to that?.

I'm sorry? It's just my gut feeling toward the issue that you guys were talking about.

[POS Industries]

Well, I don't know about you guys, but I could stand a battle. Maybe one that isn't against some dipshit's full legendary team.

Pants - 3910 9930 0613

[Loyal]

Dear god, what have you guys done to Mauve!?

[POS Industries]

She came to us of her own volition.

[mauve]

Dear god, what have you guys done to Mauve!? :(

[Malek]

You can also get a machop from one of the early pokewalker routes, although stomp will still do a lot of damage, and can flinch you if your machop is slower than milktank.

[mudah.swf]

I can't help but notice that I've gotten lazy with levelling over the years. My team gemerally barely meets the average level of each gym, or is even rather underlevelled (in the case of Cianwood my team was mostly level 21-24 while Chuck's pokemon were near or at level 30). I just can't be bothered. Thankfully I have my totally legit level 100 Arceus (honestly, it's legit, i got it from an event held not long ago) to cheese my way through gyms if I have to.

[Ecks]

Gastly's final evolution, Gengar, is HELLUVA good. It has one of the highest base special attack values in the game, has high speed, and has awesome special moves in its movepool.
My recommendation is to teach it Substitute, Pain Split, and whatever else for the last two moves (preferably Shadow Ball and Focus Blast for type coverage).

Oh hey, have I ever told you guys my love for Blissey?

Hey, I have a Sub Pain Split Gengar with those two moves...

I also have a Blissey.

[BloodyMage]

I can't help but notice that I've gotten lazy with levelling over the years. My team gemerally barely meets the average level of each gym, or is even rather underlevelled (in the case of Cianwood my team was mostly level 21-24 while Chuck's pokemon were near or at level 30). I just can't be bothered. Thankfully I have my totally legit level 100 Arceus (honestly, it's legit, i got it from an event held not long ago) to cheese my way through gyms if I have to.

I blame the pokemon in the nearby areas not being properly levelled for good training. When I was levelling my pokemon to take on Bugsy's Scyther it was done purely on level 5-8 Zubat's and Slowpokes. Not saying it was difficult or it couldn't be done, it just took ages. I mean, they could have thrown us a few lv 11 or 12's to speed it up a little...

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Well, I started playing Diamond again seeing as I have no $$ for HG/SS. I am trying to find a decent Plant Pokemon to counter my Rival's Empoleon. Any suggestion's?

[Marc v4.0]

Roserade

[Malek]

Against Empoleon specifically, you'd probably be better off with an electric type, since steel/water is neutral to grass. (alternatively, you could trade someone for a torterra and use ground type attacks)

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Is there a ground/fighting pokemon in this generation?

[BloodyMage]

No.

[Julford Hajime]

Nope, no ground/fighting types. I actually had to check, as it seems like something we could've had already >.>

As I'm breeding pokes for Mauve, I could give you a baby Turtwig or Mudkip (Because I herd u *is shot*), who both have evolutions with Ground-type moves. Just remember that ground is weak to water and that makes both of those guys neutral to Empoleon's main attacks.

Also, it's D/P. Shinx and it's evolutions are all electric, which are handy for Empoleon.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Nope, no ground/fighting types. I actually had to check, as it seems like something we could've had already >.>

As I'm breeding pokes for Mauve, I could give you a baby Turtwig or Mudkip (Because I herd u *is shot*), who both have evolutions with Ground-type moves. Just remember that ground is weak to water and that makes both of those guys neutral to Empoleon's main attacks.

Also, it's D/P. Shinx and it's evolutions are all electric, which are handy for Empoleon.

That would be cool if you could. I do have a Shinx (in which I've named Thor) and has already evolved into a Luxio already. But I find him so hard to raise because (imo) there seems to be no decent move set for him. I just got to Hearthome so I should be okay given how strong my Kadabra is right now.

My current set up is...

Budew lvl 18
Monferno lvl 18
Kadabra lvl 21
Staravia lvl 18
Gyarados lvl 20
Machop lvl 16

I know I can get an Eevee here which I may swap out for Budew and raise to Leafeon or Umbreon. I am leaning towards the latter so I have a good pure Dark type.

[Julford Hajime]

Well, I can trade you any of the Gen 1, 2, or 4 starters right now, but Gen 3 starters like Mudkip are on Platinum, which I can't find right now as I'm moving between buildings right now >.>

Anywho, my SoulSilver FC is:

4082-8376-4380

Trainer name is Julford, but you could call me Sally and I'd still show up :P

EDIT: I'll be available about an hour from now.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Well, I can trade you any of the Gen 1, 2, or 4 starters right now, but Gen 3 starters like Mudkip are on Platinum, which I can't find right now as I'm moving between buildings right now >.>

Anywho, my SoulSilver FC is:

3567-3914-2442

Trainer name is Julford, but you could call me Sally and I'd still show up :P

EDIT: I'll be available about an hour from now.

Alrighty. I don't know when I'll be on, but I'll add you. I gotta find my friend code and when I do, I'll post it up here.

/edit: Okay for reasons unexplained, I cannot seem to get my DS online with my wireless router so I may be a while.
/edit x2: Okay seriously this is fucking weird. Anyone wanna give me a hand trying to get this thing online please?

[Ecks]

Nope, no ground/fighting types. I actually had to check, as it seems like something we could've had already >.>

As I'm breeding pokes for Mauve, I could give you a baby Turtwig or Mudkip (Because I herd u *is shot*), who both have evolutions with Ground-type moves. Just remember that ground is weak to water and that makes both of those guys neutral to Empoleon's main attacks.

Also, it's D/P. Shinx and it's evolutions are all electric, which are handy for Empoleon.

Yet sadly, their movepool is limited to physical attacks if you want to go off their higher base attack stat.

Can't go wrong with Pikachu/Raichu. Just slap a light ball on the Pikachu.

Alternatively, Magnemite/Magneton/Magnezone.

[POS Industries]

Yet sadly, their movepool is limited to physical attacks if you want to go off their higher base attack stat.

Can't go wrong with Pikachu/Raichu. Just slap a light ball on the Pikachu.

Alternatively, Magnemite/Magneton/Magnezone.
I've found my Jolteon to be more than reliable in that regard, as well.

Also, Julford: Any chance I could snag a couple starters from you, as well? Treecko and Piplup, specifically. A friend of mine is furiously dex filling and I figured I'd see what I could dig up to give him a hand.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Okay so I can't get an Eevee until after I get the National Pokedex, so I still need a Dark Type.

Also I may grab myself the Magnemite because according to the wiki, it has the most resistances and one of the highest Special Attacks

[Julford Hajime]

I've found my Jolteon to be more than reliable in that regard, as well.

Also, Julford: Any chance I could snag a couple starters from you, as well? Treecko and Piplup, specifically. A friend of mine is furiously dex filling and I figured I'd see what I could dig up to give him a hand.

That'll be fine, I don't mind passing out breedable pokes (So long as you don't care about gender/nature/etc.); I even found my copy of Platinum, so I'll be able to get Gen 3 starters for everyone as well.

Right now I have one of every starter except the Gen 3 pokes, who I'll breed for new ones tomorrow. If anyone is online now and wants to trade within the next 2-3 hours of this post, lemme know. [EDIT: And I'm going to bed now >.>]

Mac, I'm not sure what could be causing the issue, assuming you did all the steps right. I'll run through them real quick, as it's always good to double-check:
1. Start the game.
2. Get to the picture of your legenedary pokemon, where the game displays your pokemon version.
3. Go to the menu with options continue, new game, etc.
4. Click on the "Nintendo Wi-Fi Connestion Settings"
5. Set up the Wi-Fi for your DS the same way you would for your computer, including passwords.
6. Head downstairs in any Pokemon Center, and talk to the middle nurse to enter the Wi-Fi room.

Hopefully this works. If/When it does, I'll make sure I breed you an Eevee or three for you to make use of, too :P

OH! Something I just thought of: If you are using some sort of service that requires a password after gaining access to the internet, the DS can't do that and won't be able to connect properly (I normally can't connect during the week because I live on campus, where they prompt you for a password once you open a program like Firefox or IE).

EDIT: Also, I changed my Friend Code up above, due to technical issues with my DS >.>
SoulSilver FC (For Generation 1, 2, and 4 starters): 4082-8376-4380
Platinum FC (For Generation 3 starters): 0517-8958-3001

[Malek]

Okay so I can't get an Eevee until after I get the National Pokedex, so I still need a Dark Type.

You've got a handful of alternative choices, murkrow is probably the earliest dark type you can find, but if you don't want a Dark/Flying, you can get the Poison/Dark Stunky early on too.

[Ecks]

I've found my Jolteon to be more than reliable in that regard, as well.

Also, Julford: Any chance I could snag a couple starters from you, as well? Treecko and Piplup, specifically. A friend of mine is furiously dex filling and I figured I'd see what I could dig up to give him a hand.

Why did I not think of that, first and foremost?

I need to stop using my Zapdos so much...

And believe it or not, it's EV'd, has a great nature, and it knows Heat Wave. Move over, Jolteon.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

You've got a handful of alternative choices, murkrow is probably the earliest dark type you can find, but if you don't want a Dark/Flying, you can get the Poison/Dark Stunky early on too.

Alright. What route do I find Stunky? I am gonna opt out on the Murkrow because I already have myself a good Flying type in Staravia unless you can suggest other wise.

Also what is a good way to evolve my Budew. Like how do I get the happiness factor up?

[Ecks]

Alright. What route do I find Stunky? I am gonna opt out on the Murkrow because I already have myself a good Flying type in Staravia unless you can suggest other wise.

Also what is a good way to evolve my Budew. Like how do I get the happiness factor up?

Dunno bout the Stunky, as far as Budew is concerned...

1) Vitamins. Yeah, they add ten EVs per vitamin, but as long as you're selective on the ones you use (and you have the cash to spare) go for it.

2) Veilstone City has a girl in a house that will give your Pokemon a massage. This will boost the happiness rating, and you will get one seemingly random Accessory for your Fashion Case. You can do this once per day.

3) I think Rare Candies also boost happiness.

4) Have your Pokemon hold a Soothe Bell. This doubles the happiness gain of each and every method.

5) Feed your Pokemon Poffins it likes. Check the second page under Summary to see what it likes (at the bottom, as seen on this page (http://serebii.net/games/characteristics.shtml))

6) Lastly, just walking around with it in your party gives it small boosts to happiness.

After you hit max happiness (You can check with the Happiness Checker app that you get in Solaceon Town's Pokemon Center; two hearts shows high happiness, two HUEG hearts is max happiness) you just need to raise your Pokemon's level by one and Presto Change-o! You'll have a Roselia. Roserade after Shiny Stone.

[BloodyMage]

You don't actually have to get it to max happiness, just 220.

Stunky is on routes 206, 214 and 221.