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Sifright

10-14-2011, 03:17 PM

Well I think IHMN is right to call for a full rolecall, I think we lost at least one possibly two mafia during the night cycle there, potentially leaving 1-2 mafia and the SK. I think we've a good chance of winning with a rolecall.

One thing I will say is that I don't see why Greed is higher on your lists than say RPGDEMON. He also hit six votes yesterday before we all switched to greed suddenly.

IHateMakingNames

10-14-2011, 03:22 PM

Well I think IHMN is right to call for a full rolecall
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/twilightclap-1.gif

I think we lost two mafia during the night cycle there
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod4.gif

One thing I will say is that I don't see why Greed is higher on your lists than say RPGDEMON.
6. greed
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spikemafia.gif
13. rpgdemon
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/images-1.jpg

Vote: greed
full role call
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Verifiedz

10-14-2011, 04:46 PM

alright rolecall. IDC if this is a bad move

Im a CBC

Verifiedz

10-14-2011, 04:48 PM

sorry CMC

Aldurin

10-14-2011, 07:13 PM

what?

Fenris

10-14-2011, 07:43 PM

greed 3
Karesh
IHMN
Aldurin

6 to lynch, no deadline yet.

Aldurin

10-14-2011, 07:44 PM

Vote: greed

Counting skills, man.

Fenris

10-14-2011, 07:45 PM

Counting skills, man.

You have no idea how hard it is to find votes in the sea that is IHMN's posts.

greed

10-14-2011, 10:58 PM

Role call? Alright, Daisy, town vanilla. I think she runs the flower shop in the show. Part of why I've been fairly absent is well vanilla's are kinda boring.

Also this quote is for IHMN's quoting benefit

Who is IHMN and what is his role.

I've shown mine, now show me yours.

IHateMakingNames

10-15-2011, 12:11 AM

You have no idea how hard it is to find votes in the sea that is IHMN's posts.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/raritydistressed.gif

Who is IHMN and what is his role.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/derpy-1.png

Role call

4. Karesh
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6. greed
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7. Sifright
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9. Verifiedz
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10. Earl
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12. Gregness
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/rarity.png

13. rpgdemon
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/images-1.jpg

14. Julford Hajime
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/townie-1.png

18. Revolving Ocelot
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21. IHateMakingNames
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22. Oron
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/images-1.jpg

13. rpgdemon
14. Julford Hajime
18. Revolving Ocelot
22. Oron
Role call
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Verifiedz

10-15-2011, 12:34 AM

Vote:rpgdemon

Gregness

10-15-2011, 03:49 AM

Small detail IHMN, but all I did was confirm that Julford wasn't the SK. He could very well be mafia and me roleblocking him wouldn't give information one way or the other.

Verifiedz

10-15-2011, 08:03 AM

yeah so it looks like i was roleblocked. i couldnt leave the houe

Aldurin

10-15-2011, 08:25 AM

What are you talking about?

Sifright

10-15-2011, 09:14 AM

Vote:greed

Following in Kareshs footsteps. I personally think RPGdemon is more likely to be mafia/SK than greed, I'm also not feeling to great about how every one is so trusting of IHMN. There is nothing stopping him from being mafia. At least with Gregness and Aldurin we have direct or indirect evidence that they are townies.

Gregness

10-15-2011, 01:12 PM

I never said I completely trusted IHMN. In fact, I've said the opposite a few times in days past. Double In fact, he's been the one pushing for a role call but then actually failed to claim a role. He character claimed as Derpy Hooves, but didn't specify a role to go with it.

More than a touch suspicious.

IHateMakingNames

10-15-2011, 01:21 PM

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/facepalm.png
IHMN was assigned a role as a character who could only speak in MLP: FiM GIF images

Sifright

10-15-2011, 01:22 PM

To be fair, he might not have a specific role I certainly don't but it's hard to imagine fenris giving such a huge posting restriction with out something given make up for it.

Sifright

10-15-2011, 03:17 PM

Unvote:Greed

Not comfortable with how hard IHMN is pushing greed considering the only scum tell is lack of activity.

Oron

10-15-2011, 03:46 PM

Fenris

10-15-2011, 04:01 PM

Ravashak is replacing inactive mcinactiveface.

Give him a day or so to catch up on the thread, will you?

Sifright

10-15-2011, 04:06 PM

So, I'm on midterm break and finally have some time to post here. That will last about a week until I go back to school.

Looks like the night's activities were pretty interesting. Sucks that we lost the Vig, but I'm willing to bet that at least one of the other two night targets was mafia. We might have even hit a killing role (SK/Mafia killer). I guess we'll find out next Night.

Either way, I'm going to go back and re-read what's happened so far.

Given the flavor text for the SK kills, i'm pretty much certain we haven't got the SK as it's going to pop as a cockatrice i'm pretty sure. I don't know that the Mafia would get a kill role seems a bit strong if they did.

Oron

10-15-2011, 04:17 PM

Given the flavor text for the SK kills, i'm pretty much certain we haven't got the SK as it's going to pop as a cockatrice i'm pretty sure. I don't know that the Mafia would get a kill role seems a bit strong if they did.

Well, how else would there have been three kills last night if mafia didn't have a killing role to act? And yeah, makes sense that the SK would come up as the Cockatrice if they went down. Forgot about that.

Oh, and it seems like we're role calling? In that case, I'm Cheerilee, townie.

Sifright

10-15-2011, 04:27 PM

Well, how else would there have been three kills last night if mafia didn't have a killing role to act? And yeah, makes sense that the SK would come up as the Cockatrice if they went down. Forgot about that.

Oh, and it seems like we're role calling? In that case, I'm Cheerilee, townie.

Mafia get a night kill outside of a specific role, if they have a role that kills it's usually a one shot ability on top of their ability to kill at night via vote. Think of their night kill as an inherent ability of their faction like the towns ability to day kill via lynch.

I think we took down one mafia at least i'm hoping it's two but I don't think we are that lucky. going to try and pin down some players I feel are scummy, but I think RPGdemon is top of my list.

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 04:29 PM

Well, how else would there have been three kills last night if mafia didn't have a killing role to act? And yeah, makes sense that the SK would come up as the Cockatrice if they went down. Forgot about that.

Hawk the Vig still killed someone, he just got killed afterwards.

Oh, and it seems like we're role calling? In that case, I'm Cheerilee, townie.

Welp

I was doubting my data - I thought Godfathers turned up as Town on investigations, although you just came up as "Mafia Don" rather than Godfather. Since you haven't claimed you're a Miller though... time for a roleclaim since I was probably going to die tonight by random chance anyway.

I'm Twilight Sparkle, Element of Honesty.
I'm the cop.
3 nights, 3 investigations, none of this "derp derp night 0 passive investigation" rubbish that Nikose was spouting. At least he wasn't a Jester in the end.

Night 1: I investigated Sifright. He's Doctor Whooves, the Doctor, town-aligned. By extension that confirms Karesh is Town, too.

Night 2: I investigated greed. He's Scum. More specifically, he's called Daisy and is currently being possessed by a star, in allegiance with Nightmare Moon, as Nikose was.

Night 3: I investigated Oron. I didn't get his name in the message (literally just "flavor text flavor text flavor text"), but he turned up as Nightmare Moon, Mafia Don.
You could have said you were Miller, bro. But you didn't.

So, while the votetrain on greed is well and good, would taking the Don out provide an additional benefit?

Sifright

10-15-2011, 04:32 PM

Holy crap, I suggest a vote for Oron then.

vote:Oron

Edit: Wait what element of honesty? Twilight is supposed to be the element of magic

Unvote:oron

Sifright

10-15-2011, 04:37 PM

Sod it

Vote:oron

If it turns out RO is lying we can lynch him the next day.

Edit: corrected formating

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 04:38 PM

Argh, typo. Meant Magic. Never mind. I'm dead tonight anyway.

Which pony is Sparkle? The purple unicorn one?

Sifright

10-15-2011, 04:39 PM

Argh, typo. Meant Magic. Never mind. I'm dead tonight anyway.

Which pony is Sparkle? The purple unicorn one?

http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Twilight_Sparkle

Sifright

10-15-2011, 04:45 PM

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 04:56 PM

Yeah, I'd written up that post yesterday as I was initially going to roleclaim early. Didn't proofcheck it, hence the stupid mistake. Then I saw the full role claim idea was going ahead, so I bided my time until my 2 Scum targets took the bait. They did.

Ravashak

10-15-2011, 05:19 PM

I'm the new player 14, currently reading up on the thread, will post more when I've caught up.

Aldurin

10-15-2011, 05:23 PM

Aldurin

10-15-2011, 05:25 PM

Also, Sifright agreeing to vote Oron and supporting the idea that the mafia leader isn't unscannable makes this even more suspicious for me.

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 05:26 PM

Sifright already said he wasn't a proper doctor right from the start.

Obviously if there actually is a working doctor still it'd be nice if could be saved tonight, but I doubt it.

Sifright

10-15-2011, 05:27 PM

Also, I think the mafia were the nightmarish mare that visited Zacora, then got chased away.

Zacora seems like she was a bulletproof role, but then got killed off because of a second attack, which is exactly how my bulletproof role worked last game. It even implied that she wouldn't have been killed by the SK, had she not been so distracted, since she would have been able to will herself back from stone.

I don't know how likely it is that we have two bulletproofs, but having one who has unlimited immunity to everything, and one who has only a single kill block doesn't seem right. I'm really suspicious of Karesh right now.

based on this I think Rpgdemon is the SK, so i'm undecided on whether we should kill RPGDEMON now and remove a kill each night or go ahead and lynch Oron. Which presumably doesn't change the state of the game.

Gregness could you roleblock RPGdemon and test it out during the night? That way he loses the ability to SK kill during the night if it's him. I know people are saying "Oh but the SK just wont kill" Well if the SK does that it's fine because we have a second mafia player to target afterwards.

Edit: and the SK will start targeting townies now that the mafia are in such a perilous state, as the SK can't afford to not kill people role blocking RPGdemon publicly won't be a bad idea.

Aldurin

10-15-2011, 05:29 PM

Sifright already said he wasn't a proper doctor right from the start.

Obviously if there actually is a working doctor still it'd be nice if could be saved tonight, but I doubt it.

Night 1: I investigated Sifright. He's Doctor Whooves, the Doctor, town-aligned. By extension that confirms Karesh is Town, too.

That sounds pretty Doctor to me, can you link the post where Sifright first makes the doctor claim?

For reference:

HoS: Revolving Ocelot
HoS: Sifright
HoS: Karesh

Sifright

10-15-2011, 05:33 PM

Whoa, shocking developments.

First of all, you're an idiot Sifright, don't try to get yourself lynched when you're the doctor.

Second, this is very useful information we could use from the investigations.

Third, it just occurred to me that the doctor voting for himself is very odd. So this my final theory is that the remaining mafia may very well be RO, Sifright and Karesh. Sifright was daring people to vote him out to prove Karesh as the bulletproof, gutsy move but stupid if you're a doctor. That would shake suspicion off of them. Then later RO could claim to be the cop (especially if they offed the actual cop) in order to fully support Sifright's claim and then brand Oron and greed as definite scum (not too hard since we've been suspecting greed) with their inactivity working in the advantage of the claim.

What I'm saying is that I'm very cautious of this massive claim, partially because the mafia leader would probably have an ability to make himself show up as "innocent".

I'm not the ACTUAL town doctor i'm just titled the doctor as in 'The doctor' from doctor who. The pony fandom turned this one characters appeareance into a giant doctor who reference, See youtube embed below

U3qS0odekuU

Also Aldurin for the purposes of alleviating your concern.

I'm the town vanilla doctor, I don't have any powers basically I'm supposed to be senile according to my role and the only person i could remember was karesh as fluttershy

Edit persumably the only townies with powers will be the ones are elements of harmony.

Well I presumed I was going to be mod killed, and I was going to quit because one of the reasons i don't normally partake in mafia games is because how easy it for things to be taken to far from insinuations in the game to be taken personally.

Out of interest what other things aren't adding up prehaps I can help explain what they are, if you are genuinely town discussing things with me so that I can try and explain my position should logically be exactly what you want as lynching a townie even when it's a vanilla role now they my information is out there is pretty harmful.

Full Role name is "Doctor Whooves, The Doctor, town-aligned" Also i've been alive 900 years apparently.

Edit: Also http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Whooves

Blah Youtube embed doesn't work linking to said video instead

First: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qS0odekuU

Second:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHUjYIaeDJk&feature=related

Notice the Cutie mark is a egg timer.

Aldurin

10-15-2011, 05:38 PM

Ok, that alleviates my suspicious, but I will go for you if Oron isn't scum.

Unvote: greed

Vote: Oron

Also to fix the youtube embedding you have to remove everything but the random series of characters from the link.

Sifright

10-15-2011, 05:38 PM

Fenris

10-15-2011, 05:38 PM

For youtube embeds, only input the information after the v= in the URL.

I fixed it above.

Sifright

10-15-2011, 05:41 PM

Haha wonderful my life is now tied into whether RO is actually the PO. I do like how you want to kill me instead of RO if it's shown that he is lying given that i'm going after Oron on the basis of Ro's post entirely.

Edit: ALdurin you need to fix your formating.

IHateMakingNames

10-15-2011, 05:49 PM

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Vote: greed
Vote: greed
Vote: greed
Vote: greed
Vote: greed
Vote: greed
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/OBEY-Celestia1.png
Night 2: I investigated greed. He's Scum. More specifically, he's called Daisy and is currently being possessed by a star, in allegiance with Nightmare Moon, as Nikose was.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/BonBonShrug.png

So, while the votetrain on greed is well and good, would taking the Don out provide an additional benefit?

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/pinkieno-1.gif

13. rpgdemon
14. Julford Hajime

Role call
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Sifright

10-15-2011, 05:55 PM

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/rarityhead.gif

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/OBEY-Celestia1.png

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/BonBonShrug.png

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/pinkieno-1.gif

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/OBEY-Celestia1.png

Why would you not want to go for Oron if he has a different title to just possessed surely taking him out is of greater importance than going for a vanilla mafia.

I get that you've been wanting to go after Greed for a while but even so.

Edit:

My suspects, based on IHMN and RO.

Mafia,
Oron (night mare moon)
IHMN (possessed)
Greed (Possessed)

SK
RPGDEMON

Edited edit:
Presuming 5 Mafia we killed Nikose, Ryandermen was my other big Mafia thought.

Aldurin

10-15-2011, 06:13 PM

What's the vote count? I want to see where everyone is at before I go ahead and post proper vote formatting.

IHateMakingNames

10-15-2011, 06:14 PM

6. greed
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spikemafia.gif

18. Revolving Ocelot
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/tumblr_lq3gyuOKWL1qf1bz5.jpg
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spikemafia.gif
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/images.jpg

13. rpgdemon
14. Julford Hajime

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/tumblr_lq3gyuOKWL1qf1bz5.jpg
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/images.jpg

Sifright

10-15-2011, 06:17 PM

Vote count (unofficial)

Greed: 3
Aldurin
IHMN
Karesh

Oron:1
Sifright

Rpgdemon:1
Verifiedz

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 06:22 PM

I'll stick up a vote tonight while I'm at it.

Vote: Oron.

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 06:25 PM

And yeah, I agree that taking out the guy with the funky name should be a higher priority than a normal Goon.

Sifright

10-15-2011, 06:31 PM

Gregness roleblock RPGdemon this night cycle

Going to bed.

As there is a chance the day could end before I wake up

Basically roleblocking rpgdemon with us knowing ahead of time that your doing it gives evidence of whether he is the sk for us if you are mafia killed during the night. Also the SK is very very unlikely to not kill during the night just to frame a player.

Oron

10-15-2011, 06:35 PM

Hawk the Vig still killed someone, he just got killed afterwards.

Welp

I was doubting my data - I thought Godfathers turned up as Town on investigations, although you just came up as "Mafia Don" rather than Godfather. Since you haven't claimed you're a Miller though... time for a roleclaim since I was probably going to die tonight by random chance anyway.

I'm Twilight Sparkle, Element of Honesty.
I'm the cop.
3 nights, 3 investigations, none of this "derp derp night 0 passive investigation" rubbish that Nikose was spouting. At least he wasn't a Jester in the end.

Night 1: I investigated Sifright. He's Doctor Whooves, the Doctor, town-aligned. By extension that confirms Karesh is Town, too.

Night 2: I investigated greed. He's Scum. More specifically, he's called Daisy and is currently being possessed by a star, in allegiance with Nightmare Moon, as Nikose was.

Night 3: I investigated Oron. I didn't get his name in the message (literally just "flavor text flavor text flavor text"), but he turned up as Nightmare Moon, Mafia Don.
You could have said you were Miller, bro. But you didn't.

So, while the votetrain on greed is well and good, would taking the Don out provide an additional benefit?

Can't say I believe you. I only said I was Town, not that I was Vanilla (Townie means Town to me, so I say one or the other to mean Town-aligned).

My role is actually the Watcher. Fenris' flavor text indicated that I am the teacher who mentors and watches over her students, such as the Cutie Mark Crusaders. Since the incidents began to occur a few days ago, my concern for the other members of town grew and I would watch out at Night in case anything happened. I can target one player at night to see whoever else targets them.

Night 1 - Nikose - Nobody targeted him that night.

Didn't know who to scan so early, so I went for a random target. Nothing happened that night.

Night 2 - Fawfulcopter - Hawk targeted him.

People were starting to consider targeting inactives. I chose between Fawful and Julford, going with Fawful, and I saw Hawk, Rainbow Dash, remove him from the game. Obviously, I wasn't going to post, "Hey, guys! Hawk's the Vig!" without any heavy suspicion placed on him. Then the mafia/SK removed him before he ever needed to roleclaim.

Night 3 - Gregness

I figured Greg wasn't going to make it through the night with his roleclaim, so I targeted him in hopes of finding scum. I guessed wrong, though, and instead Hawk, Bard, and Ryanderman were targeted.

I've been inactive lately because I had exams literally every week and piles of homework on top of that. I checked in every couple of days to read up a bit on what's been going on and whether it was Day or Night for me to submit my role. Aside from that, I've been out.

So, I don't know how you figure I'm Nightmare Moon, RO. You could be making that up to get someone you figured to be Town out of the game to help level the balance between Townies and Scum.

Aldurin

10-15-2011, 06:42 PM

Oron

10-15-2011, 06:53 PM

Well, obviously there isn't much to support me with. My support died when Hawk went out overnight, because I was going to add to his claim as Vig if anybody ever voted for him and he had to defend himself.

However, now that I look at it, RO's basically pulled the vote off of greed. It seemed odd to me that he said "You could have said you were Miller," since I don't recall Millers showing up as a Mafia Don. That's pretty high profile. I'm used to them just showing up as Mafiate. But now I think he's just calling me out with that crazy claim to distract everybody else from the bandwagon that was forming, so I really question his alignment.

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 07:39 PM

A roleclaim is exactly that - what role you are. So you've just pulled all this out of thin air when you should have said all of this in your first post as part of your actual roleclaim. Just saying "I'm town, hurrrr" is not a roleclaim as that's the default persona anyone posts with.
And you're saying I'm "pulling the vote of Greed" when I SHOWED him to be Mafia as well. No, just no. OTHERWISE I'D HAVE SAID HE WAS TOWN. Hell, I was the person who first started trying to get a vote on him, before and after my Night 2 investigation. He still should be lynched, but I'm thinking going after you first would be a better idea.

And don't Millers display as incriminating a status as possible? Displaying as the leader or SK shouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 07:58 PM

Further explanation: I was swapped in on Night 1, so I couldn't really comment on Day 1 actions and such. Sifright was suspicious as hell and had called to be investigated, with the weird assumption that the Cop would immediately out himself to reveal his guilt/innocence. So I took the bait, but didn't act on it. I did defend Sif for every strange moment he had, especially his weird suicide phase. I'd have supported his suicide otherwise.

I decided to do a bit of research on what to do as Cop during Day 2, since I've only played 1/3rd of a Mafia game before. And oh hey, lookie what the Wiki says:

Miller - A Town role that investigates as Guilty (or whatever would be most incriminating).

That's why seeing "Mafia Don" made me think of that. But your generic claim put rest to that, so I outed myself.

Wiki also says:

It is generally best to investigate players you have null reads on, and let the Day game sort out the others.

So I have a look, and who's actually popping on the forums most but posting the least? greed. I call this out, then do an investigation over Night 2 as I was mostly ignored. Hey look, mafia! I start pressing harder for a greed lynch on Day 3. It's picked up by some people but Nikose starts seriously derping out. I had decided not to investigate Nikose as his was displaying his abnormality far too obviously. So I go to what I have null leads on - RPG and Ryander had posted fairly frequently on Day 3, so I didn't choose them. Fawful was a red flag, but then again his only ever post on the forums was his signup post for this game, and he was killed anyway. Julford hadn't been on since August so revealing his role wouldn't achieve anything as he wasn't doing anything. So that left Oron for my Night 3 investigation.

I figure getting rid of 2 Mafia for 1 Town is a decent compromise. You treat a Cop roleclaim by killing one of his targets, and that'll prove he's right if they turn up guilty. As would being killed by a Night action. If he's not killed, that'll be Mafia trying to pass him off as a fake - which is really not an option now for Mafia, is it? A Cop surviving into endgame is not a risk you can afford.

In summary, Oron's been outed as a special role. He turns up Guilty with a lynch, all's good. If he turns up Innocent, you've exposed a Mafiate member posing a Cop.

Revising Ocelot

10-15-2011, 08:01 PM

*As would the Cop being killed by a Night action

Gregness

10-15-2011, 10:01 PM

Well, looks like someone else decided to shake things up since I did it yesterday.

I'll take some time tomorrow to put up a more detailed analysis.

For now, I'd like to put forward a third option. Since IHMN, Oron, and RO all implicate greed it might be wiser to take the easy shot at Greed which would give us time to sort out the roleclaim issue between Oron and RO.

Of course, that's the safer route I think. There is something to be said for lynching Oron now since for better or worse we'd end up with more information.

Something to stew on tonight.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-15-2011, 10:18 PM

I still have full confidence in RO and yes, I must agree that a Don is normally the greater threat, sooo

Unvote: Greed

Vote: Oron

Sifright

10-16-2011, 02:57 AM

I don't like your claim Oron, since most of that stuff can be made without a third party supporting or rejecting that claim.

The night actions I feel are very iffy since he could have easily just put two non-targeted members up for listing and then look back at the kill chart and use it to make a night action that returned information.

Saying that, I will hold both you and Revolving Ocelot with equal suspicion, since your claim looks weak but then RO's claim is still iffy, even with Sifright's backing.

My backing up of Revolving Ocelot technically doesn't mean anything. At least with me he hasn't put anything on to the board that I haven't already said. That said no one is counter claiming as PO and the way to test a PO is to kill one of the targets he lists if we don't have a counter claim. If he is shown to be lying we remove him from the game the next day cycle.

Ravashak

10-16-2011, 05:01 AM

So, I've read up on the events so far. I'd prefer to lynch Oron tonight, in order to check RO's reliability. This way, if Oron turns out scum, it's good and we can use RO as a trusted source (for as long as he survives xP). If he turns out to be a Miller or plain townie, we can set sights on RO afterwards (though we should first take greed then to clean up loose ends, imo).

Revising Ocelot

10-16-2011, 06:53 AM

The only people who could feasibly claim as PO now are RPG and Julford/Ravashak - without looking like they're suddenly making it up as Oron is doing.

RPG says he's not posting over this weekend so it's pointless to attempt to grill him right now, and Ravashak... well, we have nothing to go on. It'd be impossible for Rava to have any investigations done as He's not been in the game for all three nights, so there'd be no evidence he could provide for a counter-claim.

Ravashak

10-16-2011, 07:51 AM

Then I'll put it out in the open that I am NOT the PO.

Sifright

10-16-2011, 08:29 AM

votecount unofficial.

Greed:2
IHMN
Aldurin (didn't vote format to change vote to Oron.)

Oron:3
Sifright
Revolving Ocelot
Karesh

Ravashak (Thinks we should lynch oron but didn't vote on it.)

Rpgdemon:1
Verifiedz

Fenris

10-16-2011, 09:20 AM

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-16-2011, 09:24 AM

Vote: Fenris

Sifright

10-16-2011, 09:31 AM

Karesh didn't format his vote properly, fyi.

Oh you are correct he didn't bold the entire string. I guess that means he is still voting for greed.

Verifiedz

10-16-2011, 05:36 PM

Vote:Oron

Aldurin

10-16-2011, 05:40 PM

Verifiedz, you have to unvote your current vote before a new one will count.

Fenris

10-16-2011, 09:19 PM

Deadline Wednesday night!

Sifright

10-17-2011, 03:19 AM

So we have three people that technically 'want' to vote for Oron and yet aren't due to poor formatting.

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 04:34 AM

So we have three people that technically 'want' to vote for Oron and yet aren't due to poor formatting.I didn't cast a vote yet due to not wanting to rush things. There's still a fair bit of time before the deadline, and other issues might come up that should be discussed before we head to the night.

Sifright

10-17-2011, 07:19 AM

That is fair, would be nice if there were some other people active in the thread though the sudden cessation of posting is rather disheartening.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-17-2011, 09:18 AM

Vote: Oron

Sifright

10-17-2011, 09:21 AM

Vote: Oron

You have to Unvote Greed first.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-17-2011, 10:21 AM

fucking formats
unvote: Greed
Vote: Oron

Sifright

10-17-2011, 10:24 AM

fucking formats
unvote: Greed
Vote: Oron

You need to capitalize the U in unvote.

Fenris

10-17-2011, 11:02 AM

You need to capitalize the U in unvote.

hahahahha, fantastic.

Aldurin

10-17-2011, 11:13 AM

uNV0T3: gr33d
v0t3: 0r0n

Sifright

10-17-2011, 11:19 AM

votecount

Greed: 1
IHMN

Oron: 4
Sifright
Revolving Ocelot
Karesh
Aldurin

Ravashak (soon prehaps maybe?)
Verifiedz (when he unvotes rpgdemon and revotes oron)

Rpgdemon: 1
Verifiedz

Fenris

10-17-2011, 11:20 AM

We have 4 for Oron, and Aldurin is still playing Homestuck Mafia, apparently. (poorly)

Also, fuck vote formatting for this count, whatevs.

5 for Oron if you count Aldie.

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 02:04 PM

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/fluttersigh-n1300057796202.gif

Unvote: greed

Vote: Oron
first

13. rpgdemon
14. Ravashak

Role call
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/OBEY-Celestia1-1.png

Sifright

10-17-2011, 02:05 PM

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/fluttersigh-n1300057796202.gif

Unvote: greed

Vote: Oron

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/OBEY-Celestia1-1.png

That totally counts as a vote

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 02:09 PM

I'm Apple Bloom, Cutie Mark Crusader

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 02:12 PM

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/fluttersigh-n1300057796202.gif

Is this a deep sigh, or am I misinterpreting it?
Also
Vote: Oron

Sifright

10-17-2011, 02:16 PM

Vote count

Oron: 6
Sifright
Revolving ocelot
Karesh
Aldurin
Verifiedz
Ravashak

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 02:19 PM

Is this a deep sigh
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

I'm Apple Bloom, Cutie Mark Crusader
alright rolecall. IDC if this is a bad move
Im a CBC
sorry CMC
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/ccc.png

confirm
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/185px-RarityShrug.png

Sifright

10-17-2011, 02:25 PM

Gregness role block Rpgdemon

Revising Ocelot

10-17-2011, 02:26 PM

rpgdemon's probably still on his weekend AFK. Or he's lieng low. Hm.

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 02:31 PM

I guarantee that Verifiedz is also a Cutie Mark Crusader.

Sifright

10-17-2011, 02:33 PM

Gregness role block Rpgdemon
1char

Sifright

10-17-2011, 02:41 PM

Personally I would prefer RO to confirm IHMN

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 02:42 PM

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/185px-RarityShrug.png
I'm fine with the possibility of RO investigating me, it'll guarantee two townies, and we still have someone to lynch tomorrow (assuming there's no night kill overriding this). As always, though, PO's call.

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 02:46 PM

I'm fine with the possibility of RO investigating me, it'll guarantee two townies, and we still have someone to lynch tomorrow (assuming there's no night kill overriding this). As always, though, PO's call.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/pinkieno-1.gif

confirm
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/185px-RarityShrug.png
I guarantee that Verifiedz is also a Cutie Mark Crusader.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

Personally I would prefer RO to confirm IHMN
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/572328.gif

Oron: 6
Sifright
Revolving ocelot
Karesh
Aldurin
Verifiedz
Ravashak
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/no.gif

rpgdemon's probably still on his weekend AFK. Or he's lieng low. Hm.
13. rpgdemon

Role call
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/PinkieJack.gif

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 02:50 PM

Ah, wait for a rolecall from rpgdemon. In that case

Unvote: Oron

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-17-2011, 02:50 PM

Could you give us a hint as to why you're so emphatic? Is there a role involved for Greed that makes his immediate removal priority?

Is it a protective role?

A killing role?

Revising Ocelot

10-17-2011, 02:58 PM

I'll investigate whoever I please.

...which'll probably be nobody, as unless somebody just happens to be a legitimate Doctor (in which case, why haven't you claimed?), I'm dead. In fact even -with- a Doc I'm probably dead anyway as both the SK and Mafia will target me.

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 02:59 PM

Could you give us a hint as to why you're so emphatic?
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spike3.gif

Is there a role involved for Greed that makes his immediate removal priority?

Is it a protective role?

A killing role?
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/BonBonShrug.png

Revising Ocelot

10-17-2011, 03:04 PM

EDIT: Never mind me.

DOUBLE EDIT: Because I thought of posting metagame stuff but decided after that that was stupid.

Fenris

10-17-2011, 03:19 PM

EDIT: Never mind me.

DOUBLE EDIT: Because I thought of posting metagame stuff but decided after that that was stupid.

It was pretty stupid.

Sifright

10-17-2011, 03:21 PM

So err... we hit six to lynch oron and then it dropped down to five how does that play out?

Fenris

10-17-2011, 03:22 PM

-Days last for an amount of time that will be announced by myself. I'm obnoxiously busy, so they will probably be pretty long.
____(This means that if you are able to sway the majority off of you before I count the votes, you still live.)
^

I'm not exactly sure how the former "means" the latter, but it's what I wrote back then, so.

Sifright

10-17-2011, 03:26 PM

Well Soooooooooooooooooooooooorry

Okay so I totally missed that.

Sifright

10-17-2011, 03:37 PM

Is any one actually going to change their vote even if Rpgdemon was to counter claim as PO? I mean given the way Oron tried to roleclaim and how none of the information he brought to the table can be used to try and verify him the only way to prove or disprove RO is via killing a target he lists any way.

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 03:47 PM

Unless there's an incredible revelation with rpgdemon's roleclaim, I will return the vote to Oron.

rpgdemon

10-17-2011, 04:56 PM

rpgdemon's probably still on his weekend AFK. Or he's lieng low. Hm.

I was AFK, and I am back now!

And I have not roleclaimed prior to this moment, despite accusations against me, because my roleclaim shall be a shocking revelation to all! (Or not. I dunno.)

I am The Cockatrice, Wild Creature, Self/Town-aligned.

The reason that I've been so adamant on getting the verification of Karesh's role is because of how my role works. I am, by default, self aligned, but I am given the option each night of, instead of a kill, making an approach with my eyes closed, with the intent to find somepony who will take me in. (I presumed Fluttershy). If I approach the wrong pony, I die, since I'll not be able to stone them with my eyes closed.

I started out playing as Self aligned, because, well, I had no idea who the Fluttershy player could take in the Cockatrice could possibly be. When Sif did his whole "This is Fluttershy!" thing, it made sense to me in a game balance way. Fenris ensures that at least one other player knows who Fluttershy is, so that there's an increased likelihood that I could find Fluttershy. The only problem is, I have no idea if it was just dumb luck that they chose Fluttershy. If I make an approach without verification, I'm assuming that:

A) Fluttershy is the right pony to approach (Makes sense in terms of flavor, Fluttershy cowwed the Cockatrice in the show. But at the same time, the blindness doesn't make sense, since Fluttershy stared it down to cow it. Might just be a balance thing)

And B) Karesh is actually Fluttershy.

If I do make an approach and get it right, I flip townie, and become another Vig. I've been playing these past few nights as if I were a Vig, trying to take out whoever seems scummy. That's the other reason I didn't want to roleclaim, since now our "second" Vig has been exposed, and I'll likely be nightkilled by scum. If a doctor exists, please protect me.

What I've been planning on for tonight is killing whoever seems scummy/wasn't lynched today. It seems it's between Greed and Oron, and I'll hit the other person, as verification of my claim as Cockatrice at least.

rpgdemon

10-17-2011, 04:58 PM

Unless there's an incredible revelation with rpgdemon's roleclaim, I will return the vote to Oron.

INCREDIBLE REVELATION!

But, uh, hopefully your vote sticks on Oron. Or Greed.

Right now, assume that one of those two will be my nightkill. If I go for someone else, I will tell you before the night falls.

If the person I say will die doesn't die, go ahead and lynch me tomorrow.

Sifright

10-17-2011, 05:03 PM

I was AFK, and I am back now!

And I have not roleclaimed prior to this moment, despite accusations against me, because my roleclaim shall be a shocking revelation to all! (Or not. I dunno.)

I am The Cockatrice, Wild Creature, Self/Town-aligned.

The reason that I've been so adamant on getting the verification of Karesh's role is because of how my role works. I am, by default, self aligned, but I am given the option each night of, instead of a kill, making an approach with my eyes closed, with the intent to find somepony who will take me in. (I presumed Fluttershy). If I approach the wrong pony, I die, since I'll not be able to stone them with my eyes closed.

I started out playing as Self aligned, because, well, I had no idea who the Fluttershy player could take in the Cockatrice could possibly be. When Sif did his whole "This is Fluttershy!" thing, it made sense to me in a game balance way. Fenris ensures that at least one other player knows who Fluttershy is, so that there's an increased likelihood that I could find Fluttershy. The only problem is, I have no idea if it was just dumb luck that they chose Fluttershy. If I make an approach without verification, I'm assuming that:

A) Fluttershy is the right pony to approach (Makes sense in terms of flavor, Fluttershy cowwed the Cockatrice in the show. But at the same time, the blindness doesn't make sense, since Fluttershy stared it down to cow it. Might just be a balance thing)

And B) Karesh is actually Fluttershy.

If I do make an approach and get it right, I flip townie, and become another Vig. I've been playing these past few nights as if I were a Vig, trying to take out whoever seems scummy. That's the other reason I didn't want to roleclaim, since now our "second" Vig has been exposed, and I'll likely be nightkilled by scum. If a doctor exists, please protect me.

What I've been planning on for tonight is killing whoever seems scummy/wasn't lynched today. It seems it's between Greed and Oron, and I'll hit the other person, as verification of my claim as Cockatrice at least.

Karesh really is fluttershy, if you truly have the ability to join town go visit karesh. Not that I actually believe you or anything but... :|

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 05:04 PM

INCREDIBLE REVELATION!

Indeed it was, still glad I held things up a bit, though :D

Vote: Oron

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 05:13 PM

Karesh really is fluttershy, if you truly have the ability to join town go visit karesh.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

rpgdemon

10-17-2011, 05:27 PM

The way I see it, I ought to act as Vig as long as there are scum to hit, and only ought to visit Karesh when we don't have scum left. Otherwise, we're wasting a night.

Especially since Karesh is bulletproof, and won't be killed, if what you say is true. The only person rushing will help is the scum, as they get a night without a kill, and it also precludes anyone else from coming out and saying that their flavor text said that they're the person to approach. I don't know for sure that Fluttershy is the right person to approach.

Sifright

10-17-2011, 05:28 PM

Aldurin

10-17-2011, 05:34 PM

Wait, are we harnessing the SK now?

Ravashak

10-17-2011, 05:35 PM

Sure looks that way

Revising Ocelot

10-17-2011, 05:50 PM

I don't like this "Oh I can join town if I want to!" routine one bit. Very half-truthy.

Sifright

10-17-2011, 05:54 PM

Yea thats my thought as well, I'm still on for roleblocking him via gregness until the mafia is dealt with. Hopefully we have a doc to keep RO alive but if not.. :(

Edit: Going to bed.

Votecount shows six on oron.

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 05:58 PM

Yea thats my thought as well, I'm still on for roleblocking him via gregness until the mafia is dealt with. Hopefully we have a doc to keep RO alive but if not.. :(
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nah.gif

Basically roleblocking rpgdemon with us knowing ahead of time that your doing it gives evidence of whether he is the sk
I am The Cockatrice, Wild Creature, Self/Town-aligned.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/cockatrice.jpg

roleblock
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spikemafia.gif

The way I see it, I ought to act as Vig as long as there are scum to hit, and only ought to visit Karesh when we don't have scum left. Otherwise, we're wasting a night.

Especially since Karesh is bulletproof, and won't be killed, if what you say is true. The only person rushing will help is the scum, as they get a night without a kill, and it also precludes anyone else from coming out and saying that their flavor text said that they're the person to approach. I don't know for sure that Fluttershy is the right person to approach.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/no.gif

Karesh really is fluttershy, if you truly have the ability to join town go visit karesh.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

Aldurin

10-17-2011, 06:11 PM

I say don't roleblock rpg, and only roleblock one of the suspects (whoever doesn't die) in case they have an ability.

rpg knows he's screwed if he's actually lying about the town-flip thing, and if he isn't the only smart course of action is to try to gain our favor by killing scum and gaining the trust to allow him to live long enough to flip.

Should there be no sign of the mafia left then we can go one day with no-lynch to see if he will make the flip.

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 06:44 PM

lynch
22. Oron
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spikemafia.gif

night
Karesh really is fluttershy, if you truly have the ability to join town go visit karesh.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

day
lynch
6. greed
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spikemafia.gif

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/3e7i.jpg

Revising Ocelot

10-17-2011, 07:03 PM

I'm wondering if Karesh's bulletproof status is vulnerable to rpg's specific shtick. If he's telling the truth, the consequences could still be nasty.

Aldurin

10-17-2011, 07:08 PM

I'm wondering if Karesh's bulletproof status is vulnerable to rpg's specific shtick. If he's telling the truth, the consequences could still be nasty.

I doubt it, especially since in the show it's Fluttershy that stares down the cockatrice.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-17-2011, 07:09 PM

I'm wondering if Karesh's bulletproof status is vulnerable to rpg's specific shtick. If he's telling the truth, the consequences could still be nasty.

I doubt it. I'm not immune or vulnerable to anything. I simply cannot be targetted by anypony. At all.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-17-2011, 07:10 PM

Wait a minute then it can't be me/Fluttershy because RPG can't target me in the first place. Unless I'm reading too deeply and it means immunity to the effects of being targeted.

Aldurin

10-17-2011, 07:25 PM

I think it means effects at you can't be targeted, the cockatrice approach to flip town seems like a gray area that favors the targeting bypass.

rpgdemon

10-17-2011, 07:25 PM

Fair enough, but I don't know that you are telling the truth. If you night kill me it still makes Karesh ambiguous if RO isn't the PO.

Edit: Also the mafia will kill either yourself or RO if he is actually the PO your both just as dangerous as each other given your ability to give town an extra kill a day.

If I night kill anyone who I say I won't, go ahead and lynch me.

As a thing that I thought of, if whoever we lynch of the two that RO says are scum flips town, I will go for RO, unless someone can give me good reason not to.

Right now, how I'm treating the situation is acting as Vig, until there are no scum left, and I'll then approach Karesh, or whoever else seems the best possible choice. He makes a good point about being untargettable, since that means that I probably wouldn't be able to approach him, and it would likely be someone else.

I'd suggest that Greg blocks the Don, and if I kill someone who I say I won't, lynch me then, but my views are biased.

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 07:33 PM

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/rarityhead.gif

until there are no scum left,

scum
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/cockatrice.jpg

13. rpgdemon
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/cockatrice.jpg

I am The Cockatrice... Town-aligned.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/no.gif

I am The Cockatrice, Wild Creature, Self... aligned.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

first
If I do make an approach and get it right, I flip townie, and become another Vig.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/Angry_fluttershy_2.png

Aldurin

10-17-2011, 07:38 PM

ok, so IHMN wants you to flip before you go for the scum. Thing is I don't think he'll actually turn on us if he can flip to town, and if anything he would want to last longer so bringing a mafia victory sooner would be bad.

rpgdemon

10-17-2011, 08:36 PM

Flipping before going for scum doesn't make sense, logistically. It means that we skip a kill on scum, to prove something that doesn't matter. If I spend tonight flipping, and I get killed overnight, I'm town aligned but dead, and no scum were hit. If I spend tonight killing someone who we know to be scum, but don't flip, the scum are hit, but I don't get to be town aligned.

It'll hurt the town if I flip tonight, since we miss out on a hit on scum. The only thing it hurts if I don't flip tonight are my chances at hitting any victory condition, since if I get killed pre-flip, I'll still be self aligned. Whether I flip tonight or tomorrow doesn't make any impact on my actions, since I'm going to be playing for the eventual flip, as there's no way I'll be the last one standing now.

IHateMakingNames

10-17-2011, 08:53 PM

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/fluttersigh-n1300057796202.gif

Flipping before going for scum doesn't make sense, logistically. It means that we skip a kill on scum, to prove something that doesn't matter. If I spend tonight flipping, and I get killed overnight, I'm town aligned but dead, and no scum were hit. If I spend tonight killing someone who we know to be scum, but don't flip, the scum are hit, but I don't get to be town aligned.

It'll hurt the town if I flip tonight, since we miss out on a hit on scum. The only thing it hurts if I don't flip tonight are my chances at hitting any victory condition, since if I get killed pre-flip, I'll still be self aligned. Whether I flip tonight or tomorrow doesn't make any impact on my actions, since I'm going to be playing for the eventual flip, as there's no way I'll be the last one standing now.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/bullshut.png

lynch
22. Oron
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spikemafia.gif

night
Karesh really is fluttershy, if you truly have the ability to join town go visit karesh.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

day
lynch
6. greed
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spikemafia.gif

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/3e7i.jpg

Sifright

10-18-2011, 03:46 AM

Simple answer to this. If RO turns out to be lying rpgdemon should night kill him. If not Rpgdemon should night kill greed after that we can decide what to do the next day.

Ravashak

10-18-2011, 10:57 AM

This is some theorizing based on the assumption that Oron is in fact the mafia don.

Just curious, but does a role-block on a mafia member stop the kill if there's more than one member (keeping possibilities open)? I'd assume it'd only work if it's the last member and/or the designated killer.

Under this assumption, I think we should roleblock greed and have rpgdemon convert to town this night. The flavor that we'll get should give some info, if the kill was stopped, i'd assume that greed's the last mafia member, who we can then lynch at our leasure the next day. However, if the kill goes through, there's probably still another mafia member hiding.

The other options is that a mafia kill can't be stopped at all, in that case, if rpgdemon decided to kill greed in the night, we'd be at an impasse. At that point we wouldn't be sure whether there's still someone we should lynch, but the game can't be over 'cause there's still a self-aligned character in the game.
So I think rpgdemon should convert to town tonight, that way, we'll have a course of action for tomorrow set already.

Aldurin

10-18-2011, 11:21 AM

The other options is that a mafia kill can't be stopped at all, in that case, if rpgdemon decided to kill greed in the night, we'd be at an impasse. At that point we wouldn't be sure whether there's still someone we should lynch, but the game can't be over 'cause there's still a self-aligned character in the game.
So I think rpgdemon should convert to town tonight, that way, we'll have a course of action for tomorrow set already.

What I'm saying regarding that is if rpg really does try to help us out then we should give him one day of no-lynch so he can try to join town, should anything other than him joining town happen that night then we can go ahead and lynch his ass away.

Sifright

10-18-2011, 12:55 PM

I don't think we need to have a no lynch day to achieve that. IHMN seems to want us to lynch oron now, rpgdemon turns himself town tonight and we kill greed tomorrow. This presumes that RO is actually the PO.

edit: I'm speaking of game day night cycles.

Double edit: Who hasn't voted yet? Do we need to get more votes before the day ends because I'm counting six on oron at the moment.

Aldurin

10-18-2011, 01:04 PM

Fenris is just a lazy ass.

Fenris

10-18-2011, 03:12 PM

Oh, Ravashak totally revoted Oron. Missed that.

Lynch post forthcoming

Verifiedz

10-18-2011, 03:18 PM

Sorry
Unvote:whoever i voted before

Vote:Oron

Fenris

10-18-2011, 03:27 PM

Unvote:whoever i voted before
I hate that, don't do that. Keep track of your votes.

----

Celestia's horn glowed as an aura enveloped Oron.

"You!" Celestia cried.

"Me," Oron, Nightmare Moon, Mafia Don sneered.

"Finally decided to show yourself, I see. It's over, Nightmare."

"Hardly."

"You're at the weakest you've been since I first sent you to the moon. It's apparent to me that this time, this charade is coming to an end!" Celestia cried before casting a mighty spell, separating the dark phantasm from the pony it resided in.

"I hereby banish you... and throw you in a dungeon in the place that I banish you! Begone, Nightmare!"

"Celebrate, my little ponies! But do not lose vigilance! There are still disappearances to be explained! We're almost through these rough times!"

--------

Night 4, or something like that is now! Deadline Friday Night!

Fenris

10-21-2011, 10:06 PM

crisis happening

flavor text flavor text flavor text greed, Daisy I think has turned to stone

day something

however many to lynch

deadline whenever

Gregness

10-21-2011, 10:17 PM

Damn, I hope everything's okay Fenris.

Anyway, it seems the only one to die last night was greed? Turned to stone even so that means rpgdemon did it (supposedly). I remember some noise about lynching RPG if he did anything other than attempting to convert to town last night, but I don't remember if we agreed to that or not.

HoS: rpgdemon.

Aldurin

10-21-2011, 11:11 PM

There was a huge controversy over whether we should trust RPG to kill a mafiate before he switches to town. Now, on the assumption that the mafia is wiped out (possible but still ambiguous) then I think we should vote "No lynch" for ONE DAY ONLY to give rpgdemon ONE NIGHT to try to convert to town. Should anything other than rpg turning town happen then we should lynch the shit out of him and finish this game.

Vote: No Lynch

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-21-2011, 11:28 PM

Last game I had a suspicion I couldn't quite place and never really acted on, so hey I figure I'll go with my gut this game.

Vote: rpgdemon.
The only motivation for him to have killed Greed off himself is one less townie death, which doesn't really make much statistical sense. We'd still win all the same and the dead townies would win all the same.

That being the case, there's ulterior motive.

Aldurin

10-21-2011, 11:41 PM

But the thing is, his actions back up the idea of him being able to turn town, and by wiping out the mafia first before turning town he'd help toward that victory.

All I'm asking is that you give him one more night to live before we try to lynch him.

Also I need RO to report if he got anything that we need to know using his PO scan.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-21-2011, 11:46 PM

OKAY WAIT I FUCKING
GOT
THIS
SHIT

What if the possessed ponies don't know they're possessed until a certain criteria activates?
What if that criteria is the death of Nightmare Moon?

What if... IF One of those possessed creatures wasn't a pony at all, but a cockatrice.
As the last remaining mafiate RPG gains access to their kill as well as his own, he can use that to kill two townies at once. But selectively restrains his SK kill while using the mafia kill to destroy a random townie, probably RO who is the last Pony that could confirm his identity. With the town thoroughly convinced they've already gained victory we move into the next night, with a sudden return of mafia kills. RPG comes forward claiming that he did target me with his other kill, which failed and indicates Fluttershy isn't his target for conversion.

Convinced that RPG is fine to leave alone for now we blindly turn against one another once more, and after a lynch and two town deaths at night, we lose. It's the Persona 4 style of tricking the player into thinking the game is over when it ain't. But I won't fall for that.
I reach out for the truth.

http://localhostr.com/file/0cNwXJ8/9214c80802720879b4d17e5e6a2a304d.gif

Gregness

10-21-2011, 11:50 PM

Didn't he say he'd die if he targetted the wrong pony for conversion, though? That'd be some serious evidence to try and argue against.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-21-2011, 11:51 PM

Didn't he say he'd die if he targetted the wrong pony for conversion, though? That'd be some serious evidence to try and argue against.

My immunity to night targeting means he has a relatively solid counterpoint in that he can argue that my immunity to all night target effects included the reversal of that targeting onto him.

Aldurin

10-22-2011, 12:11 AM

Karesh, I think your targeting immunity may have an exception for the SK conversion since it is such an unusual even in itself, and to have it approach the only person it can't kill seems proper.

Don't try so hard to justify lynching rpgdemon. The whole theory of him being a dual scum is a stretch if the possession actually works in the way you think it might.

If it makes you feel any better we can have RO scan rpg tonight, that way if he doesn't make the conversion we can see if he really is possessed or not.

The most likely scenario is that rpg wiped out the last mafiate (thus removing the mafia kills completely) and now is hoping that we grant him enough time to let him become town and fully secure the town's victory.

Start thinking with friendship.

rpgdemon

10-22-2011, 12:16 AM

I am both immediately suspicious of people voting for me, and also not at all suspicious of them.

The reason I'm immediately suspicious is because there's no reason to lynch me right now.

The reason that I'm not is because, regardless of whether or not you have a reason, lynching me will end the game with a town win.

The reason that I am suspicious is because if there ISN'T a town win immediately after lynching me (Or right after the night I flip), it gives the people who were all, "KILL RPG!" an alibi. "Oh, I wouldn't have voted to kill him, exposing that there was still a Mafiate left, if I were scum! I just wanted the town to definitely win soon!"

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-22-2011, 12:18 AM

Start thinking with friendship.

Oh I'd love to EXCEPT MY FRIENDS HAVE BEEN TURNED TO STONE, LOST IN THE FOREST, OR SENT TO THE DAMN MOON.

Aldurin

10-22-2011, 12:21 AM

It's OK, Fluttershy, your friends Twilight and Rarity are still here.

Please, just remain chill for one day, after that you can flip out and personally throw the cockatrice at the moon.

Gregness

10-22-2011, 12:37 AM

I'm not entirely convinced the mafia's all dead since that requires luck that we, quite frankly, haven't had since game start.

Aldurin

10-22-2011, 01:14 AM

Here's the facts:

1. Town is pretty much guaranteed a win no matter what.
2. It appears our main dilemma is whether we should win through The Magic of Friendship or through simply lynching off the SK.
3. People are still bitter from the SK kills and the general way things went at first.

I personally say that we don't lynch anybody today (unless a final mafiate is identified) so that we can see if the friendship option isn't a lie. If not, then we lose 1 townie and still win.

Sifright

10-22-2011, 02:44 AM

Yea, I'm going to wait for RO to give us the results of his night action.

Edit:

Vote: No lynch

At least until we get more info

greed

10-22-2011, 03:00 AM

Yeah I can confirm I was Daisy if that's alright I know you're not supposed to add to the game in your death text, but I think it's fine in this circumstance.

Anyway, go Mafia, we can still do this people!

Revising Ocelot

10-22-2011, 06:11 AM

No time to chat, but Ravashak checks out as his Apple Bloom townie thing. Will comment later.

Sifright

10-22-2011, 06:24 AM

Confirmed townies by RO and by direct evidence.

Sifright - Doctor Whooves by RO
Karesh - Fluttershy by Sifright
Aldurin - Mayor Pony by his own actions
Revolving Ocelot - Twilight sparkle by giving two mafia candidates away through his info
Gregness - Rarity by telling us he roleblocked Nikose thus helping to lead a lynch on Nikose showing him to be mafia.
Ravashak - Applebloom by Revolving Ocelot
Verifiedz - Cutiemark crusader. verfied by Ravashak

Unknown or confirmed scum
Rpgdemon - Serial killer by his own admission states he can turn to town.
IHMN - Claims ditsy doo/derpy hooves *Unconfirmed*

Edit:

Tinfoil hat thinking.
The other ponies are possessed right? What if the other mafia candidates if they still exist are the people who we know their role but not their affiliation for instance I knew karesh was fluttershy it made no mention of whether he was town or not. Ravashak knows verifiedz is a cutie mark crusader does he know for sure that he is town?

Double edit:

With that thinking the only ones who we can be sure of are

Sifright
Ravashak
Revolving ocelot (unless he threw two mafia under the bus for no reason there is no way he is a Mafioso)
Gregness (under the same thinking as RO although he only helped nikose get killed who had already been majorly scummy)

Multi edit:

Vote:Rpgdemon

on further reflection i don't trust rpgdemon vote kill him worst that happens is we have RO investigate the rest of the players.

Revising Ocelot

10-22-2011, 12:29 PM

Right, go time.

So I lived last night. Somehow. The worst case scenario at this point is that 3 Mafia are dead, which leaves potentially 2 more members remaining. I certainly don't think they're all dead, regardless of what trollololing greed was trying to pull with his post. They must have aimed a kill at either me or rpgdemon (both nasty power roles that are unhealthy for mafia), and it didn't go through. If there's only one remaining Mafiate, Gregness may have potentially roleblocked it. Otherwise, I don't know. Maybe there is a functioning Doctor who didn't roleclaim after all.

Speaking of Gregness: unlike Sif, I don't really trust you. You roleblocked Nikose one night, or so you claim, but even before that roleblock most people were convinced Nikose was all kinds of dodgy so that's an effective way for a potential Mafiate to start a votetrain on someone as good as outed, to pass suspicion off of himself.
Now, you've had a few posts in Day 5 so far, but you haven't said in any of them who you roleblocked last night. Why haven't you said this yet? Holding back information like that when you roleclaimed long ago is decidely peculiar.

FoS: Gregness

Sifright

10-22-2011, 12:37 PM

Guys, check out the first post by fenris in the thread. Oron is still listed as a player.

Unvote: Rpgdemon

Vote:Oron

Unless this turns out to be a coincidence.

Revising Ocelot

10-22-2011, 12:40 PM

Probably a mistake. Don't bother with that until Fenris is out of his super crisis.

Sifright

10-22-2011, 12:43 PM

Probably a mistake. Don't bother with that until Fenris is out of his super crisis.

Greed was removed from the list though, which happened during the night. Oron was killed out of the game during the day before hand.

Revising Ocelot

10-22-2011, 12:44 PM

Hurried people are inconsistent and uncaring.

Sifright

10-22-2011, 12:48 PM

Hurried people are inconsistent and uncaring.

wouldn't that have happened three days afterwards though? I've not seen how fenris removed others from the list timing wise though so I suppose it could innocuous.

Gregness

10-22-2011, 01:31 PM

Revising Ocelot

10-22-2011, 01:48 PM

Though, can we guess that since the mafia hit didn't go through that greed was the last? They usually have to pick a guy to actually execute the hit and if there was more than just greed left it'd be pretty dumb to have him do it since he was already outed.

Didn't know they actually pick a specific person who does the kill, rather than as a collective whole. I really doubt they're all dead, though.

I'll wait on some input from IHMN for now.

Fenris

10-22-2011, 01:55 PM

first post updated

Aldurin

10-22-2011, 03:38 PM

Regarding greed's post, I think he's lying about the mafia still having a chance as a final "fuck you" against us. If there was actually some mafia left I doubt that he would want to give away that they still exist.

Take the friendship route, guys.

Ravashak

10-22-2011, 05:48 PM

I think the lack of a mafia last night was telling. It was the last night they could freely kill someone with the knowledge we had at that time (since RO had already confirmed greed as mafia, and after the Oron lynch that was all he had on scum up to that point). Meanwhile, rpgdemon did what he said he would do. Act as a vigilante and take out threats to the town, before switching to town. While I would've preferred to have him flip last night, I don't feel he went against our interests with the petrification.

In short, I'm with Aldurin at this point, and I'd be fine with a no lynch day. This will allow rpgdemon to convert, which would end the game if there's no more mafia. If there's still mafia, though, they will have to act, either through pushing for lynches that are silly (which would expose them) or through night kills, but until there's proof of existence of the mafia, we can just take it easy and not instantly turn on each other and keep a nice numerical advantage for town.

Gregness

10-22-2011, 06:25 PM

I'm officially okay with taking the friendship route. Let's no-lynch today, let rpg flip town, and rain hell on him if he does otherwise.

Aldurin

10-22-2011, 07:16 PM

I think we actually need to have a "No Lynch" majority vote in order to keep the few against it from taking control.

rpgdemon

10-23-2011, 02:03 AM

The way I see it, there are three options that make sense for the town to take:

1) Lynch me, see if its game over. If it is, hey, you won!

2) Don't lynch me, and vote no lynch. I'll switch over to town tonight, and then game should be over tomorrow. If I don't switch tonight, take option number one.

3) Don't lynch me, and vote to lynch someone who's suspicious, just in case there are extra mafiates around, and we could hit one for free. I feel like it'd be 1-2 scum left, and the rest townies, if there are any scum, so if we hit a townie now, we'd still have an overwhelming majority, but if we hit scum, we keep from killing me tomorrow, if we don't win, since that wouldn't really accomplish anything. (If you believe me. If you don't, then it establishes that there is in fact still a mafiate at large).

I would almost like to suggest option 3, and hit Sif, just because I want to be super sure that I'll actually get the right pony to go to, to flip town, since if I don't, I completely shot myself in the foot and orchestrated my loss.

If anyone else got anything at all about a pet, or a cockatrice, or whatever, in their flavor, now would be the time to say so. I don't want to lose, by going for the alternate win condition that lets more people win.

Ravashak

10-23-2011, 02:56 AM

Sif's been investigated by RO and revealed town, so I disagree with voting for him.

IHateMakingNames

10-23-2011, 04:03 AM

There is a mafia.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nah.gif
There is a cult.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nah.gif
Any self-aligned players win when they are the last pony standing.
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/cockatrice.jpg

end the game
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

Vote: rpgdemon

Sifright

10-23-2011, 04:30 AM

Unvote:Oron

Vote:Rpgdemon

You guys realize he's probably going to go with a I flipped to town and the game isn't over quick lets lynch out the mafia players that remain. Also the attempt to get me lynched is pretty hilarious given that RO has confirmed me as town.

Edit: Especially as there would probably be no night text for this

Sifright

10-23-2011, 09:42 AM

Vote count

Rpgdemon: 3
Karesh
Ihatemakingnames
Sifright

No lynch: 1
Aldurin

Gregness (provisionally)

Edit : 5 needed to lynch

Reason to vote Rpgdemon, if he is lying he will try to claim that there was no night text the next day that shows him turning town, he will then try to get us to lynch the 'mafia' candidates.

Lynching him out of the game, removes a scum play brings us closer to winning removes uncertainty regarding his situation and allows us to actually focus on mafia if there are any.

Double edit: Nothing in the show gives credence to the idea of the cockatrice turning town. In the show the cockatrice runs away when dealt with by fluttershy

rpgdemon

10-23-2011, 11:54 AM

Also the attempt to get me lynched is pretty hilarious given that RO has confirmed me as town.

When was that? I honestly don't remember that happening.

Sifright

10-23-2011, 12:04 PM

Verifiedz

10-23-2011, 04:57 PM

wait i dont think i voted someone yet. did i?

Ravashak

10-23-2011, 05:00 PM

Not today, no

IHateMakingNames

10-24-2011, 12:16 AM

end the game
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/nod5.gif

Vote: rpgdemon
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/rarityplease.gif

rpgdemon

10-24-2011, 01:39 AM

Y'all are the worst at friendship. I should have taken a potshot at the PO out of spite.

Aldurin

10-24-2011, 01:46 AM

Na, sadly enough you should have tried to flip town last night, since this bandwagon is not going to end well for you.

Ravashak

10-24-2011, 02:46 AM

Exactly, the problem is proof. We haven't had much additional information about what happens at night to give information. Heck, it could be possible that your method of "flipping to town" is actually the only way to night-kill Karesh.

Besides, if you did try to hit RO last night, there's only about a 50% chance (guessing) of success anyway, the Cutie Mark Crusaders were protecting him (attempted to at least, we're not quite capable and i guess having our third member dead since day one decreased the chance a bit)

Revising Ocelot

10-24-2011, 05:51 AM

It's been proven with Science that Aldurin's ideas are always bad and should be disregarded. No-Lynch is stupid. I suspect one Mafia, possibly two are alive.
So I'm going to

Vote: rpgdemon
And:
FoS: IHateMakingNames

As these are the only leads I personally see, and a lack of information in general. Gregness already got FoS'd by me earlier. One or the other just might be Scum.
By the way, repeating ideas I'd already stated the previous day, guys? *sigh*

Sifright

10-24-2011, 06:02 AM

We are sitting at 4 votes to lynch Rpgdemon, given the information ravashak has given us I believe RO was saved from the mafia during the night. With this information I believe either Gregness or Ihatemakingnames is mafia. If the game doesn't end with rpgdemons death we should move onto tackling either of those two. RO can try and night investigate again.

Fos:Gregness
Fos:Ihatemakingnames

I have to agree with RO

Ravashak

10-24-2011, 06:27 AM

Do we think Mafia has power roles this game? So far, to me it seems they don't, even the Don was easily recognisable when investigated by the PO.

By extension, unless someone else is going to claim role-blocking, Gregness is town. He role blocked me (well, my predecessor, but let's ignore those irrelevant details), and as Verifiedz showed in post 1263 (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1161284&postcount=1263), he got roleblocked. This is evidence of Gregness being what he says he is, a roleblocker, and me and Verifiedz being together as the CMCs, which should clear all 3 of us (and for me personally, RO investigated me).

4. Karesh, known by Sifright => probably town
7. Sifright, investigated by RO => town
9. Verifiedz, guaranteed by Ravashak as CMC => highly likely town
10. Earl, confirmed by killing the bodyguard xP => town
12. Gregness, roleblocking confirmed => town
13. rpgdemon, SK by admission
14. Ravashak, investigated by RO => town
18. Revolving Ocelot, investigations turn out right => town unless awesome puppetmaster
21. IHateMakingNames => Speaking in pictures => expected town

While I think that at this point everyone's town except rpgdemon, I can't rule out the possibility that someone isn't. If that's the case, voting a no lynch today COULD result in two night kills, followed by the SK lynch, and another night kill, cutting the group down to 5 with at least one mafia member. After some thinking, I feel this possibility is just too dangerous to allow. Therefor, I change my previous stance regarding today's lynch.

Vote: rpgdemon

Fenris

10-24-2011, 07:27 AM

Vote count

Rpgdemon: 5
Karesh
Ihatemakingnames
Sifright
Revolving Ocelot
Ravashak

No lynch: 1
Aldurin

The crowd ushers rpgdemon, Cockatrice, self-aligned onto the stage where Celestia waited.

"Ah, you must be the one who has been turning my precious little ponies to stone. This sort of behavior is inexcusable!" Celestia cried.

The cockatrice, meanwhile, began cowering.

"For your crimes, I sentence you to the harshest punishment imaginable!" Celestia's horn began to glow.

The cockatrice responded by cowering harder.

The glow Celestia's horn began to brighten. And then it continued to brighten. And then it brightened some more. The glow quickly became too bright to look at directly, much like the sun it was connected to.

"FWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~!"

The 3 party poppers that had materialized around the cockatrice exploded.

"Gotcha!" Celestia exclaimed. She turned to face the crowd of ponies who were, at this point, dumbfounded.

"My Little Ponies, congratulations!" Celestia announced. Her horn flashed briefly and every pony who had been removed from the town by one way or the other suddenly appeared in the town square. "You have successfully vanquished the Nightmare, her accomplices, and even the additional threats to yourselves through the power of friendship! Well done!"

With that, she left the remarkably confused townsponies to their own devices.

-----------

Dear Princess Celestia,

Today, I learned that no matter how bleak it may seem, you might get really lucky and off an entire group of cultists on the first night of a mafia game and 3/5 of the mafia in a single day/night cycle. Also, in the end, friendship can get fucked.

Your student,
Twilight Sparkle

Town Win!

sorry I suck as a GM guys

Sifright

10-24-2011, 07:41 AM

Naw, it was good. Do we get an after action report like in snakes game? I totally want to hear how terrible i was and how much i deserved to get lynched :p

Fenris

10-24-2011, 07:42 AM

Naw, it was good. Do we get an after action report like in snakes game? I totally want to hear how terrible i was and how much i deserved to get lynched :p

I can do that after I give this presentation of death for my Music History class in 2 hours.

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 07:48 AM

Man, over in the cult we had most of the mafia and some of the power roles pegged (not 100% but we turned out to be pretty right) day 1 but then we all died night 1. I was grabbing Hawk night 1 then Nikose would have been nigth 2 giving us the Vig kill and the mafia by day 2.
Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

Did we ever work out what Snake was? Cause he was tots mental.

Also you dudes were a mental town.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk

10-24-2011, 07:58 AM

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 08:01 AM

Because I had a hunch you had a power role. It was based on your posting patterns day 1, i can't remember exactly what trigged me but I was sure you had to go night 1.
I didn't think you were mafia (I think I had Nikose, Ryanderman, Greed on my speculated mafia list) but there was something funny so I took a shot.
It was either you or snake. Who knows what snake was up to.
And it would have worked too if not for you meddling ponies.

Sifright

10-24-2011, 08:03 AM

You were a low activity poster, pretty much guarantees you to be power role or mafia. New mafia players tend to try the incognito approach when mafia or power rollin and mafia players all know who each other are.

Edit: also totally vindicated I said nikose was mafia from like day 2.

Double edit: Hawk you hit cult on night 1 and mafia on night 3 so thats pretty sweet.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk

10-24-2011, 08:05 AM

Actually I wasn't try to hide my role like that, I am naturally fairly inactive, unless I have something to really say. I wouldn't have played any differently if I was scum or vanilla to be quite honest.

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 08:06 AM

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk

10-24-2011, 08:10 AM

The hilarious thing there was three people in the cult day 1. The first three night kills- all the cult.
Like how the shit did that happen.

Haha yeah, that was pretty excellent. I only went for Bob based on something Snake said really, about him not wanting to play if he was scum, and because Bob is usually a lot more active. If Bob had been town it also might've come back to haunt Snake a bit and I wanted to see his reaction and how he defended it too, but he never had to. Course the fact that Bob was cult didn't rule out the possibility that Snake was mafia either, so I still couldn't trust him.

Sifright

10-24-2011, 08:10 AM

I was kinda talking about the mafia targeting him in the night.

Ryanderman

10-24-2011, 08:10 AM

Wait, so did I hit 2 scum then? Because if I did then I can consider myself a successful vig. Also, please never give me vig powers again. Vig is hard man, I was so worried I was gona fuck up.

2 questions though;

SMB, why did you try and convert me first? There were far better targets than me.

Likewise to mafia, did I do something obvious to get killed on night 3? Cos SMB and Snake I can understand, seeing as they're mafia vets and are pretty good at the game, but I'm not nearly that high a priority, unless you knew something.

Still, least I got to be RD. That was all that matters really.:)

We had you pegged as a town power role. Either vig or PO. Didn't know which.

Also, I totally called rpgdemon being the SK. In other news, it was pretty dumb of me to get worked up about rpgdemon being the SK. I was most so proud of myself for figuring it out, I got carried away.

Geminex

10-24-2011, 08:11 AM

Cult Kills are magic.

Edit: Also, pretty good game. Town really got monstrously lucky at times, but then again, we also failed epically a few times. Still, fun.

Also, Nikose, what posessed you to be that shifty?

greed

10-24-2011, 08:11 AM

It wasn't to do with inactivity. It was based on some posts you made. It was totally a hunch though.
The hilarious thing there was three people in the cult day 1. The first three night kills- all the cult.
Like how the shit did that happen.

There wasn't any information or metagaming on our end, we just wanted to nix one of the louder players. Less activity usually means a mafia victory. We basically flipped a coin between you and Snake.

We found hitting the Cult Leader a delightful surprise.

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 08:11 AM

Also I have magical cult powers. I knew all your roles. It was in your eyes.

E: The mafia are dicks!

Geminex

10-24-2011, 08:14 AM

Also, propose that IHMN be named MVP. Not necessarily for great achievement but because he actually played mafia, made arguments and advocated lynches through pony gifs.

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 08:15 AM

IHMN pretty much won that for the town. Everyone else was just flapping around and he nailed pretty much all the mafia.
All in GIF form.
Hilarious.

Sifright

10-24-2011, 08:16 AM

We had you pegged as a town power role. Either vig or PO. Didn't know which.

Also, I totally called rpgdemon being the SK. In other news, it was pretty dumb of me to get worked up about rpgdemon being the SK. I was most so proud of myself for figuring it out, I got carried away.

See i was quietly thinking that rpgdemon was the SK but as town the SK is like the semi last target to go for. Especially as we had no confirmed mafia kills at that point you pushing an rpgdemon kill outed you hardcore as mafia

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-24-2011, 08:37 AM

Totally called rpgdemon.

Fenris

10-24-2011, 11:14 AM

IHMN is totes MVP.

Everybody roleclaimed their proper roles - Mafia was Bard, Nikose, Greed, Ryanderman, and Oron.

I gave cult the limitation of being unable to recruit mafiates (although they didn't know that), so I gave them two additional cultists. Totally didn't matter, though. They were SMB, Bob, and P_sleazy.

RPG was the SK. He could also not convert to town, and if you guys had voted no lynch, you would have been idiots.

Verifiedz wasn't even trying.

My roles:

The mafia had a special power that they could bring any non-mafiate back from the moon, if all of them were alive. Nikose confided in me that he was trying to get them to lynch Snake just so they could bring him back and confuse errybody. The purpose of this ability was for obfuscation. It was obviously never utilized.

Solid Snake was Zecora, who was NOT a miller, but a witch doctor. She could bring back anybody who was petrified or lost in the everfree forest. Then both happened to him night 2 so he wasn't able to do that, either.

Fun fact, is that I fucked up and accidentally sent RPG after Snake that night due to a pretty egregious typo in my notes. He had actually targetted Nikose that night, but was totes cool with me fucking that up.

The Cutie Mark Crusaders could attempt to mimic investigative, protective, and roleblocking powers each night. They had a chance of failure. 75% success if all 3 were alive (then Bookie got expelled), 50% if 2 were alive (the rest of the game), and 25% if only one remained. Funnily enough, they succeeded in protecting Revolving that last night, but greed 1) targetted Sifright, and 2) was roleblocked anyway.

Fawfulcopter was Pinkie Pie, who had a one-shot ability to cancel all night roles by throwing a huge party. He never did shit with it.

Fluttershy was immune to night roles - had he been investigated, I would have said something like "You don't even trust your good friend Fluttershy?" without giving role information. He was town, regardless.

Also, I had originally planned for the Whooves character to know the identity of a mafiate, but I decided last minute that was OP so I picked a random town-power. I then picked the worst possible town-power.

IHMN rocked the hell out of the Derpy Hooves role. No regrets in assigning that role to him.

Aldurin should never be let near a power role again. After that, the game was pretty much won for the mafia, but dumb luck pretty much fucked them over. The night before, RO successfully pegged greed, then Nikose got lynched, and then Bard and Ryander got hit. That night, RO also successfully pegged Oron, so the entire mafia was either killed or investigated in 36 game hours.

Then RPG roleclaimed cockatrice wtf

Oh, there were absolutely no vanillas in this game. Vanillas are stupid.

Ryanderman

10-24-2011, 11:38 AM

The power to bring people back was cool in concept, but very tough to do anything useful with in execution. We could only bring back people sent to the moon via lynching, excpet Oron, who we could only bring back if he was night killed. And we lost the power once one of us died. First lynched was Bookie, and we obviously couldn't bring him back. Then Geminex, and there was no way we'd want to bring him back. Then Nikose, and we lost the power.

I had a plan to have greed claim PO, out Oron as Nightmare moon, have the town lynch him instead of Nikose, and then bring him back, which would cause the town to waste a lynch, trust greed, and I think could have given us the victory. But then I found out Oron could only be brought back if he was killed at night, and there went that.

Also, I was dumb dumb dumb in pushing an rpgdemon lynch. Don't know what I was thinking.

Geminex

10-24-2011, 11:47 AM

Gregness
It's geminex. >: [

And I am still annoyed that I missed half the game cause earl ninja-lynched me. Though in retrospect, that was pretty hilarious. Like, totally perfect.

Gregness

10-24-2011, 12:00 PM

After Aldurin's power trip I thought we were completely boned.

I'm curious why I wasn't night killed immediately after I roleclaimed in order to shut Nikose down. Are roleblockers just plain not as dangerous/valuable as I thought?

Anyway, this was my first game of mafia and I had a lot more fun than I thought I would. Any suggestions/criticisms of my play?

Aldurin

10-24-2011, 12:10 PM

Aldurin should never be let near a power role again. After that, the game was pretty much won for the mafia, but dumb luck pretty much fucked them over. The night before, RO successfully pegged greed, then Nikose got lynched, and then Bard and Ryander got hit. That night, RO also successfully pegged Oron, so the entire mafia was either killed or investigated in 36 game hours.

Hey, I made a mistake, but then I started participating harder to make up for it (sadly enough I did buy rpg's bullshit). The thing that bothers me the most was that during my post-search I had literally wrote up the action post with greed in it until I got misled by Gem's natural shiftiness in his posts.

Geminex

10-24-2011, 12:13 PM

What natual shiftiness? I am open and upstanding!

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-24-2011, 12:15 PM

Fluttershy was immune to night roles - had he been investigated, I would have said something like "You don't even trust your good friend Fluttershy?" without giving role information. He was town, regardless.

Also, I had originally planned for the Whooves character to know the identity of a mafiate, but I decided last minute that was OP so I picked a random town-power. I then picked the worst possible town-power.
http://localhostr.com/file/jONF4Yp/65916%20-%20DDR%20animated%20dance_dance_revolution%20danci ng%20discorded%20flutterbrute%20fluttershy%20stepm ania%20twilight_sparkle.gif

Snake?
Fenris was exactly that stupid.

IHMN rocked the hell out of the Derpy Hooves role. No regrets in assigning that role to him.

What exactly was his role anyway?
He seemed to know a fuckton.

Gregness

10-24-2011, 12:29 PM

What exactly was his role anyway?
He seemed to know a fuckton.

Seconded, I have a hard time believing you'd give someone a restriction that harsh without something to balance it out.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk

10-24-2011, 12:31 PM

I reckon IHMN was omniscient.

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 12:36 PM

It doesn't seem like IHMN had any outside knowledge. Reading the thread without being involved gives a lot of hindsight and I came to the same conclusions he did.

Mr.Bookworm

10-24-2011, 12:54 PM

Yeah, I think IMHN was just actually paying attention (the Mafiates were not inconspicuous in this game), though I did think he might be the PO at one point.

Revising Ocelot

10-24-2011, 01:17 PM

Only one of the Mafia list I didn't really peg was Bard, hence believing there was one left. And Nikose, in the sense that he was so OTT I didn't know what to think. Seriously, what was up with that?

Wonder how things would have turned out if I didn't catch greed and Oron.

Sifright

10-24-2011, 01:22 PM

Yea, I think had the game played out differently with no bookworm incident, we may have tried a Nikose day 1 lynch given the way he was playing.

IHateMakingNames

10-24-2011, 01:29 PM

Town did not want to win after Day 2. Especially Sifright. I was giving you people that shit on a platter.

Nikose was mafia because he was super sketchy and Gregness role claimed. Ryanderman was mafia because he attempted to stop a lynch on an obvious mafia member. Ryanderman and Bard both were barely active, and every time one posted the other did. Nikose tried to stop a bandwagon lynch on greed, and Bard/Ryanderman were constantly explaining why greed was inactive. Loose assumptions but with deaths and claims we had half the town already revealed. I had no idea about Oron, I thought there were only 4 mafia.

About when Nikose claimed Carrot Top I realized mafia was all background character. Town consisted of the main characters (Main 6, CMC, Zecora) and a few randoms that had already been outed (Mayor, Dr Whooves, Derpy). There was only room for 1 or 2 background vanilla townies, so anyone that claimed a vanilla was very likely mafia. Which is why I kept calling for mass role claims, and I was pretty certain on all the mafia.

I had some outside knowledge since I helped Fenris come up with the roles. But I spoke in pictures so that hardly helped, and I watch the show so it was all deducable. Plus I didn't know if Fenris changed anything.

Wonder how things would have turned out if I didn't catch greed and Oron.
We still should have won since I knew all that but again, town really didn't want to win so they probably would have lynched me or something stupid and lost. Probably lead by Sifright. So stupid.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1156734#post1156734

"You said a lot of stuff, so I'll agree with you."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1156762#post1156762

"[Sarcasm]Oh no, you have trapped me in your trap, you trappard."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1156775#post1156775

"I'm sad that you are all voting for me."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1156795#post1156795

"That image is from the episode with Gilda."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157085#post1157085

"I agree that the PO should investigate Sifright. The quoting implies that it is in fact safe for the PO and not risky for him as others imply."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157098#post1157098

"No rpgdemon, that is not right and you are stupid. The PO does not have to reveal himself regardless of what he learns.

Even if he does reveal himself, the bodygaurd can protect him from night kills."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157123#post1157123

"I agree with these quotes. The PO does not have to reveal after investiagting, and Sifright and Karesh both being townie is likely and good for us."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157126#post1157126

"Eyup.

I cannot stop these pony GIFs."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157134#post1157134

"No, I have been both productive, and I am not a jester.

Ehh, your voting for me and I can't respond without ponies."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157141#post1157141

"Hurray, some one finally stated that I have to use pony gifs as my role, as painfully clear as that was.

But god dammit don't instantly pretend that isn't the case and vote for me."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157144#post1157144

"I am not Mesden and you are stupid."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157147#post1157147

"I am Derpy Hooves.

Sifright, I am again disappointed by your lack of understanding."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157161#post1157161

"I am confused why you would vote for me after claming it was a pointless bandwagon.

Snake, I am not self aligned.

Yes, good for you for stating my role so I could finally quote and agree to it."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157193#post1157193

"Jerk."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157670#post1157670

"The mafia is Nightmare Moon, which is not Trixie, Snips, and Snails."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157671#post1157671

"Yes, those three were cult."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1157680#post1157680

"The third disappearance was caused by Rainbow Dash, the vig."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158041#post1158041

"Karesh is Fluttershy.

Eh, Fluttershy is definately townie.

But, we can have Rainbow Dash, the vig, target Karesh this night. If he is telling the truth, Karesh lives and we know he's Fluttershy. If he's lying, he's probably mafia and we take out a mafia member."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158049#post1158049

"Yes, Rainbow Dash should target you."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158050#post1158050

"Oron copletely understands."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158094#post1158094

"Look a joke.

Damn you for catching up after I spent time making this gif."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158208#post1158208

"Dude, Snake is clearly a townie. You be scummy pal."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158225#post1158225

"Seriously guys, Rainbow Dash should just target Karesh to test his claim.

And dammit people, stop voting for Snake, he's our best assest."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158231#post1158231

"No, image marcos do not count as a test post. Here are examples of pictures I can post that include text. they are all legal."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158328#post1158328

"Karesh and Sifright and both obvoiusly townies. But just in case we should have Rainbow Dash target Karesh, to calm all your nerves.

rpgdemon, really dude? If there is no flavor text we know the kill failed, which is what we want for Karesh to be townie."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1158340#post1158340

"I am super worried about this mayor lynch because it seems so unfounded."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159070#post1159070

"I am very mad that Aldurin both killed the bodyguard with his piss-poor deductive skills on Day 2, ruined our chance to lynch a mafia since we had something going on. All of this upsets me, and makes me sad. But I guess we are now screwed because of Aldurin, so oh well, I don't care anymore. I would like to kill of Aldurin now, but he's a confirmed townie. Fuck you Aldurin."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159071#post1159071

"Nikose is super scummy, so vote for him."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159109#post1159109

"I rather lynch, but fine.

Sifright, seriously, you still think I am not a townie?"

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159120#post1159120

"I would like too, but I cannot express the reasons I am voting for Ryanderman with pony GIFs."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159189#post1159189

"Well rpgdemon, they are totally town, so I'm going with what they say. The fact that you don't believe them makes me think you are scum and I shall vote for you."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159325#post1159325

"I disapprove of your action, but I don't believe you have another vote override."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159516#post1159516

"I know the people I quoted first are townie, and agree with your suspicions on the other people.

I will unvote you for now rpgdemon, but I'm very 'meh' about it."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159526#post1159526

"I do not have a most suspicious person, so I shall list all the people I believe are suspicious."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159814#post1159814

"The PO is clearly Twilight Sparkle. Stop believing Nikose."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159965#post1159965

"Real Rarity is deciding if she should reveal, assuming it's not Gregness. I also thought this GIF was funny and revelant to all the Rarity going on.

Nikose is clearly not an insane cop because he said I turned up Town.

So are we voting for Nikose or letting the vig kill him?"

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159973#post1159973

"No, of course I'm not claiming to be Rarity.

I cannot explain with GIFs what the Rarity GIF meant."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159987#post1159987

"Sweetie Belle is a Cutie Mark Crusader. There are three Cutie Mark Crusaders, and the other two are still alive. They are likely a Mason group. Should they claim?

We are pretty close to having majority with our already revealed rolls, a full role claim will give us direct targets and much easier voting if all goes well. Should we do a rull role claim?"

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159993#post1159993

"These five people have confirmed townie roles, and we know that Scootaloo, Apple Bloom, and Twilight Sparkle are in the game. That is a total of 8 townies. There are only 15 people left in the game. That gives us the majority vote with just those roles. I think a full role claim would be good, but what do you think?"

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1159995#post1159995

"Also Rainbow Dash is confirmed in game, so 9 roles."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160056#post1160056

"Yes, both the SK and the mafia targeted Snake last night.

If we do a role call, we should do it in order of the list in the OP, from top to bottom."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160094#post1160094

"So, no one has counterclaimed Rarity. That confirmed Gregness is Rarity and that Nikose is scum."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160234#post1160234

"Not voting for Nikose is super suspicious man.

Look at these bullshit justifications you are making for changing your vote from a clearly mafia person."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160245#post1160245

"Okay, so clearly Nikose is Mafia. Ryanderman has now proven that he is also Mafia. We have two choices to vote for. Which one do we lynch?"

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160254#post1160254

"God dammit, Ryanderman is clearly mafia. Stop talking to him.

Look at this bullshit he is spewing. I would explain it but I can't.

Nikose is Mafia so let's just vote for him. Since you people can't seem to get that Ryander is Mafia."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160256#post1160256

"Dammit Sifright, look. You are putting these stupid accusations on rpgdemon, and just moments ago Ryanderman really did try and stop the vote on the confirmed Nikose Mafia. Understand this shit."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160272#post1160272

"Do not fucking roleblock rpgdemon.

I don't know what alignment rpgdemon has. But Ryanderman is 100% mafia. Do not listen to mafia."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160277#post1160277

"Here are what my images mean. Ryanderman is mafia."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160283#post1160283

"Yes, Ryanderman is mafia, so Gregness should not listen to his plan."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160289#post1160289

"You pushed so hard on the SK and rpgdemon because Nikose is mafia. We were about to start the vote train on Nikose and kill him. Since you are mafia you did not want that and starting making up bullshit."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160357#post1160357

"Look at these quotes. The SK wants the town to start doing well because he needs the game to last longer. His only way to win is to tie with town.

Okay, look guys. Ryanderman is mafia. He is trying to convince the SK who to kill because the mafia fears the SK. Since he knows Nikose is mafia and will die by this lynch, he attempts to make the SK follow his stupid plan by killing a confirmed townie and pretending like it's the SK's best choice. But we've alreayd determined the SK should kill a mafia tonight if he wants a chance to win.

Understand this dammit."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160386#post1160386

"rpgdemon is not the SK. He had no reaction to the bulletproof claim, that was all mafia Ryanderman making up bullshit.

God dammit you are stupid. I am so townie.

For the love of god I hate you all. Ryanderman is 100%, without doubt, mafia."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160392#post1160392

"I know for certain based off what I've seen so far. And look at this obvoius attempt to out the PO."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160403#post1160403

"Here are what images mean. These are the alignments I believe every player has."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161120#post1161120

"Yo, where is the mafia's kill?

Yes, being possessed means the person is a mafia goon.

Ryanderman and Bard were mafia, so hurrah to these night kills!"

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161122#post1161122

"Notice Hawk isn't in the list of night killed people. Specifically he isn't under the mafia's section. Fenris forgot to put him there.

Okay, so Greed is mafia.

There are 11 players left. At least 8 are townie, maybe 9. There is only 1 mafia left, maybe 2 but probably 1. The SK is also still alive. We should do a full role claim since we need only 2 more lynches."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161125#post1161125

"Sifright, stop being so concerned with confirming yourself and Karesh. Everyone fucking believes you and we don't need you trying to vote for yourself again."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161130#post1161130

"Vote for greed."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161142#post1161142

"I am frustrated that you people aren't listening.

No, there are not 6 townies and 4 mafia left. As I said before, greed is a mafia member. There are at least 8 townies, and at most 2 mafia, plus the SK.

Vote for greed.

Sifright, for the love of god, stop trying to prove things, the game is over."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161147#post1161147

"Yes, Hawk got mafia killed.

Vote for greed."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161151#post1161151

"No, stop assuming 6 townies. We have basically won already.

Vote for greed."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161159#post1161159

"Greed is mafia because we were 2 votes away from lynching greed yesterday. Then suddenly Nikose changes his vote for no reason. Nikose was a mafia member, and he was trying to stop his other mafia mate from being lynched.

Vote for greed.

We are not at a critical time, dammit. Town has won. Listen to me and reread my posts because I am right.

We should do a full role claim."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161166#post1161166

"Vote for greed.

Do a mass role claim.

Town wins."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161168#post1161168

"Stop being so stupid. I said greed was mafia many times. I assume you are SK now because of your ignorance and desire to not win.

Vote for greed. Do a mass role claim. Town wins."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161170#post1161170

"Ugh. Fine, here is a picture without chickens.

Vote for greed. Do a mass role claim. Town wins."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161172#post1161172

"Finally some one accepts that I am trying to end this game.

We lost two mafia last night.

Greed is mafia. I don't know what rpgdemon is.

Vote for greed. Do a mass role claim. Town wins."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161244#post1161244

"This is what you get for forcing me to only use pictures.

I am Derpy Hooves, as has been stated already. I can only post pictures.

So role claims, here are all the players and who they have claimed to be. These guys haven't claimed. Claim now."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161305#post1161305

"Stupid Gregness, it's pretty clear what my role is. Here is a quote."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161357#post1161357

"You people are frustrating. Some one claims PO and you instantly believe him with no doubt.

Vote for greed first.

The "PO" is even saying greed is scum. You are taking your votes off of a scum because of some one's reveal, which is super scummy.

There is no benefit to killing a Don first.

Remaining people, claim your roles."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161360#post1161360

"Greed is mafia, this is fact.

Revolving Ocelot is either the PO, or a mafia member.

One of the two guys to yet to role claim could be the actual PO is Revolving Ocelot isn't."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161696#post1161696

"Le sigh. I guess we won't kill the double confirmed scum greed first.

Before the day ends rpgdemon and Ravashak should role claim."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161705#post1161705

"Yes, that was a deep sigh.

"The CMC are a group of three. You are masoned. Confirm each other."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161716#post1161716

"I did not mean for the PO to investigate you. I meant for you to confirm that Vert is a CMC and him to confirm you."

Sifright, you are stupid.

Don't end the day yet you fools.

One guy has yet to role claim. Just finish that off before ending the day."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161724#post1161724

"I cannot explain the sigh with pictures.

I doubt he has any special reason to be killed first, but neither does a don. It's just silly that you all jumped onto Revolving Ocelots wagon so easily."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161778#post1161778

"Yes, rpgdemon should convert himself first."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161788#post1161788

"Don't roleblock rpgdemon. He needs a night action to convert if he can do that, and him killing some one won't harm us.

You only wanted to block him to see if he was the SK, and he claimed SK.

Roleblock the remaining mafia player to prevent any night kills, assuming rpgdemon goes for Karesh."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161798#post1161798

"IF we lynch Oron, then at night rpgdemon targets Karesh, when we lynch greed tomorrow the game is over and town wins."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161814#post1161814

"Stop planning with the SK.

He's pretending like he isn't scum, but the SK is scum. He isn't town aligned yet, he is self aligned. Have him target Karesh first before making plans with him. You don't make plans with people who are not of your alignment ever. That loses games."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1161832#post1161832

"God dammit...

rpgdemon the things you say don't make sense. Look back at what I said. We can win by tomorrows lynch if all this happens and you are telling the truth."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1162722#post1162722

"Mafia are all dead.

Cult are all dead.

The only guy left in SK.

Just end the game and kill the SK."

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1162850#post1162850

"Please end the game. I want to use words."

Geminex

10-24-2011, 01:41 PM

I liked IHMN better when he was posting gifs.

Revising Ocelot

10-24-2011, 01:49 PM

Fun fact: I actually got rep'd by Fenris when I told Sifright to stop being rpgdemon (going all suicidal for SUPER VINDICATION).

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

10-24-2011, 01:50 PM

Fun fact: I actually got rep'd by Fenris when I told Sifright to stop being rpgdemon (going all suicidal for SUPER VINDICATION).

I got two rep from Fenris; one for saying he skirted suspicion like a champ last game and one for the Nikose playing monopoly thing.

Ryanderman

10-24-2011, 01:52 PM

Ryanderman and Bard both were barely active, and every time one posted the other did.
That was coincidence as far as I know.

Nikose tried to stop a bandwagon lynch on greed, and Bard/Ryanderman were constantly explaining why greed was inactive.

I don't think I ever did that. Could be wrong.

IHateMakingNames

10-24-2011, 01:55 PM

I may have associated things in my head to make you extra mafiay. Though Bard definitely did it multiple times.

Gregness, I think your rep during the game technically counts as outside game communication.

greed

10-24-2011, 01:58 PM

Yeah, in retrospect I should have been more active from the get go. But by the time I realised this, conversation had become so dense and there had been calls for me to talk more, that I figured I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't.

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 02:01 PM

I had you pegged as Mafia day 2 as well so must have been something sketchy. I think I had a bard/you link as well.

It was pretty hilarious watching IHMN peg all the mafia and then the town just faf about massively and nearly still fuck it up. I was rooting for RPG to SK you all.

Ryanderman

10-24-2011, 02:11 PM

I think I just have no poker face.

And that list of reasons why I was inactive for the first day I gave to Snake, absolutely true.

And the timing of one of my posts, immediately after Snake called me out, that drew suspicion to me, entirely coincidental. I was writing the post while he posted.

Oh well.

Solid Snake

10-24-2011, 02:15 PM

WALL OF PINK TEXT TIME
(I know you missed this)

IHMN was definitely MVP, but Geminex actually was a fairly close second in my book. For what it's worth, before I died N2, I was 100% certain those two were Town, but they were the only two I had definitive pro-Town hunches over. (Karesh, admittingly, would have totally been pro-Town if Sifright actually played his role well. I'll give Sifright credit for improving as the game went along, but throughout much of D1 and D2 his play was disastrous.)

But yeah I pretty strongly alluded one point at D2 to the fact that I was convinced Gem was Town, didn't have to do the same with IHMN because the limitations on the role ensure the role itself is almost certainly Town. Was shocked to see Earl go after Geminex, partially because Geminex was obv-Town, but also partially because Earl totally could have just announced his role and given Geminex time to defend himself, and partially because I had just asked for a one-day reprieve to state my actual suspicions and defend my record in detail and Earl totally destroyed my chance to do so by ending the Day.

Based on the fact that Earl ended the Day when he did, I was convinced Scum was going to kill me that night and prevent me from articulating my suspicions, which was basically what happened. (Although it may not have actually happened for that reason.)

I'd also like to point out that I made a totally serious post D1 in which I went something like 5 of 7 in calling out anti-town roles. Just sayin'.

Unfortunately, this is kind of a bad game to assess my play properly because neither D1 nor D2, the two days in which I was alive, actually ended with a legitimate lynch. So both days ended with my votes on people I actually didn't want to lynch that Day, because that's just how I play the game. Never give Scum too much ammunition to want you eliminated, that's my philosophy; and when given a strong Power role I almost always try to act scummy enough so that Scum feels comfortable letting me live. Some, albeit not all, of the "WTF are you thinking Snake?" moments were inspired by that exact philosophy. Given my ability to defend myself, as Town I often prefer to act "too ambiguously scummy" as opposed to "too obv-Town" because it's easier for me to defend from lynches than to defend from nightkills. I wanted Scum to mistakenly believe that I was an asset for them to keep around until I laid the gauntlet on them.

All things considered though I'm actually shocked so many other Townies did apparently buy into a "Snake is dangerous scum" narrative. Protip: As scum I would not have dared to prevent an IHMN lynch by giving IHMN the chance to copy-paste an accurate description of his claim; even assuming I correctly deduced the limitation, I totally would have taken advantage of the legitimate excuse of "ANNOYING PONY GIFS!!!" to waste an otherwise productive Townie. I wasn't kidding when I kept noting that.

What else? (Nearly) everyone really was playing a poor game before I showed up and I'm glad I stirred up some activity even if I rankled a few feathers in doing so. Mafia made a clear mistake in actually setting up Nikose to take the fall after eliminating me; a one-to-one tradeoff like that is never an effective Scum strategy. Nik needed to find ways to support my lynch that didn't leave him as such an obvious target for PO / Vig / lynch attention the minute I flipped. Nik also hurt Mafia somewhat by claiming that I had to be the SK, which ultimately led him to claiming a ludicrous pseudo-inaccurate PO role to justify his intuition. Problem there was in doing so he also was indirectly making the case that I couldn't be Mafia, which meant he introduced "pro-Town" evidence beneficial to me while simultaneously gunning after me. Another Protip: In a game this large, Town should never deliberately attempt to lynch the SK as early as D2 because the SK still has a high chance of hitting Cult or Mafia and the Mafia is the far greater threat. If you happen to lynch the SK by chance while hunting anti-Town Mafiates that's fine, but if you narrow someone down to "either SK or Town, but definitely not Mafia," you do not lynch that guy D2.

Or better yet, Mafia, if you set it up so that you're strongly pushing for my lynch and you're articulating a case that I'm scum? Don't nightkill me. The minute you do, everyone who strongly pushed my lynch or indirectly supported its underlying thesis becomes a suspect. Let Town waste a lynch on me, and in the interim keep articulating that my survival despite the odds and despite my activity is further evidence that I'm Scum. If anything, you really should use your Nightkills to PO-hunt and/or Vig-hunt.

And people who used the Bookie thing against me in some meta argument that I pushed for D1 to end the way it did because I was scum are stupid and deserve to be called out as stupid. I'd have made the exact same argument whether Scum or Town, because as someone who's hosted Mafia games before and is a vet I'm capable of detaching myself and actually discussing host decisions impartially.

Closing Thoughts: All in all I thought this game was frankly balanced in Town's favor because of the lack of Town 'Nillas. 'Nillas tend to exist in games for a reason, despite how legitimately 'boring' they are; giving every Townie a Power role creates balancing issues. Yeah, it's true that we got lucky in killing off the entire Cult N1, but it's equally true that Scum actually lucked out in killing the Reviver for reasons entirely independent of any knowledge of his role N2. Even if Scum had killed a Townie instead of a Cultist N1, I would have been able to revive him N2 unless I was Roleblocked, which only further displays a power imbalance. Then there's Sifright's role knowing who Fluttershy was, leading to the exact issues I presented in my Karesh / Sifright summary around D1 or so; giving Sifright and Karesh the ability to be confirmed together by the PO N1 is dangerous, particularly when Karesh can't be night-targeted and when killing Sifright would confirm Karesh to Town, who the Mafia could then no longer lynch or kill.

Add to that the fact that if Earl's role went to a more competent Townie it would have led to an immediate Dayvig kill of an anti-Town role, add to that the fact that if Bookie hadn't "cheated" we might have actually lynched an anti-town role D1, and add to that the existence of a Vig with multiple night shots (if not unlimited nightshots) and an SK who's going to hit Mafiates with as much impunity as Townies, and Scum needed tons of power roles themselves to even remain remotely competitive.

All in all, it's telling that Scum lost this game so easily despite the fact that most Townies played a rather poor game. I don't blame Scum for losing this because I'm not convinced the Mafia had the slightest of chances from the get-go, the number of early mistakes Town made just gave them hope.

EDIT: Also, it thoroughly saddens me that Fenris never repped me despite all my activity in this game. Fenris Y U NO LIEK ME

Revising Ocelot

10-24-2011, 02:15 PM

Also gotta say that it was cruel for the PO to be replaced by me AKA Pessimist Idiot Extraordinaire. I suppose an inactive PO is worse than a moronic active sane PO... barely. I was so hilariously, stupidly wrong on too many things.

Geminex

10-24-2011, 02:22 PM

Hey, you revealed oron and greed. Lucky, maybe, but you totes saved the day.

Also, reading Snake's post, it does seem like the game was kinda skewed in favor of town, but I'd kinda like to think that was balanced by the town's lack of experience.

To expand on that, I think it's great that Fenris cut out the vanilla roles, cause giving everyone something to do is that much more interesting, but if game balance was a problem again in the future, I think some roles could be more like IHMN's: Detrimental.

Still interesting, certainly, adding a bit of variety, but rather than overpowering the town, you can weaken some townies to balance out the extra power of others.

IHateMakingNames

10-24-2011, 02:28 PM

It was town favor by roles, but the lack of alignment/role reveals on night kills hurts the town. Well, in theory, since the mafia were background characters and ponies with lines were townie. But most people didn't realize that.

I believed the Karesh/Sifright claim immediately, since no one counter-claimed Fluttershy. If Karesh really wasn't Fluttershy then those two would have been mafia and we'd have easy lynches.

Once Snake died I had to take over as the townie trying to win. I was so afraid that the PO would get night killed since no one was listening to me, and if the PO died I was certain we'd lose.

Geminex

10-24-2011, 02:34 PM

since no one was listening to me
To be fair, you lose a bunch of credibility if you're talking in pony gifs. Like, you were right, and now that you can actually be coherent, you sound very authoritative, but that was not the case back when you main form of communication was adorable ponies.

Solid Snake

10-24-2011, 02:35 PM

I believed the Karesh/Sifright claim immediately, since no one counter-claimed Fluttershy.

I would have bought into that myself if not for the fact that as Host I tend to always try to level the playing field for Scum by leaving a couple main characters as safe roles for them to claim. (In the Homestuck Mafia game, Dave, Jade and Vriska were major characters who Mafia could claim.) In the end, though, I'd have had no problem buying into Karesh if not for the fact that Sifright's D1 and D2 play was dodgy as hell, and Sifright tied himself to Karesh with his claim.

I'm surprised that Fenris cast all the major characters as pro-Town, because it effectively (as you noted) nullified the value of not knowing the roles characters possessed when they were nightkilled. And the fact that Fenris, for example, established that Rainbow Dash was the Vig (and that Zecora had the power to revive) via flavor text ensured that everyone would know at least those roles once they flipped.

EDIT: I disagree with Gem on the pony GIFs thing; ironically my confidence in IHMN as Town skyrocketed with the GIFs as opposed to without them, as the limitation (once I confirmed it) proved he was almost certainly Town, I felt comfortable trusting nearly every one of his suspicions. Admittingly, it also helped that IHMN seemed to be one of the few Townies with a firm grasp of the fact that I was Town and trying to help. As for the GIFs, I found most of them quite easy to follow and I actually think IHMN would have been worse off if he actually typed out every one of his thoughts, as Scum would have an easier time manipulating his text than manipulating GIFs and there would be more room for misinterpretation of IHMN's logic. Words are easy things to twist.

Geminex

10-24-2011, 02:43 PM

Sifright

10-24-2011, 02:44 PM

didn't my day 2 play consist of me going lets lynch nikose for lying about the things snake said?

Revising Ocelot

10-24-2011, 02:48 PM

didn't my day 2 play consist of me going lets lynch nikose for lying about the things snake said?

Nah, it consisted of giving me rep fodder.

Solid Snake

10-24-2011, 02:51 PM

Fair enough. Really just going off my first impression here. And to be honest, I may have been too superficial (I was out of the game, after all), but while IHMN's stuff made sense, it never occurred to me that, hey, this guy really has a grip on things. LIke, now that he's talking, I've noticed that he has 11k posts and actually knows what the hell he's talking about, but before that, that wasn't the case. He had the logic down, but I felt it would've been more convincing through a different medium.

It's funny to reflect on the fact that the two players I most trusted as obv-Town did not apparently feel each other were obv-Town.

And we're not gloating more because the Mafiate was seriously handicapped this game, and dumb luck eliminated the Cult before it could even get started. I don't feel like this is a game Town should feel like they "won," unless your name happens to be IHMN, in which case yeah bro you're awesome go buy yourself some alcohol and celebrate your victory.

I mean let me be blunt, Oron, rpgdemon and Bard arguably played a better game than Sifright, Verified and Earl. Should the latter three really gloat over the former three?

(Though I still don't know why RPG claimed the obvious SK role, and his more assertive behavior was definitely something I noted as a sign he was likely anti-Town. And I'm mentioning Oron and Bard there because based on their public posts I felt they played a better game than Greed -- who was too inactive in a way that felt obviously scummy as early as D1 and D2 -- and Ryanderman, who was legitimately called out on some slippage.)

IHateMakingNames

10-24-2011, 02:51 PM

I thought all my posts made sense, but there were a couple posts, like this one (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1160272#post1160272), that were getting completely misread. I had thought that the GIFs would help, since I was pegging the mafia correctly, but could keep living since I was basically confirmed not to be the PO and the lack of words could be seen as non-threatening to the mafia. Then the town kinda ignored me and didn't realize that several mafia were night killed, specifically Bard but some accepted that Ryanderman was mafia. Two HoS on me at the end just before the game ended was the saddest thing.

I had no read on Gem since he died before I really started to play, which was after his death since that move seemed like it screwed the town.

I got repped by Fenris for the Pinkie summary post, Loyal who was hoping that I was scum, and Gregness cause of the GIFs and actually playing with them.

Geminex

10-24-2011, 02:55 PM

I mean let me be blunt, Oron, rpgdemon and Bard arguably played a better game than Sifright, Verified and Earl. Should the latter three really gloat over the former three?
They won, so yeah.

I kid, honestly, I get that everyone played a good game, expcept for some members of town. But a bit of joking gloating is always fun.

Also, I totally believed teh IHMN was trustworthy. I just didn't believe that he was necessarily right about everything, and the pony gifs made it hard for him to explain why he had his hunches.

Solid Snake

10-24-2011, 03:00 PM

Oh and I'm glad Fenris apparently admitted back there that letting Dr. Whooves know who the untouchable-at-night character was, was not a great idea. I was not trying to be anti-Town by going after Karesh and Sifright because of it, I legitimately thought there was no way Sifright would be given the opportunity to ensure that the untargetable role would not be lynched.

EDIT: Before anyone gets butthurt, let me just specify that many of you who played "terrible" games shouldn't feel too bad about it; some of you got slated weird Power roles that you just didn't have the experience to handle, and for that matter for many of you this was something like your first or second Mafia game. The important thing is virtually everyone not named "Verified" improved their play. Sifright became notably more competent as the game progressed, even though several of his hunches were dead wrong. Earl learned an important lesson when he misplayed his Power role. For the record, I sucked through my first few Mafia games and had to learn tons of shit, too. You'll get better if you keep playing.

Gregness

10-24-2011, 03:01 PM

Gregness, I think your rep during the game technically counts as outside game communication.

That wasn't at all my intention, I was simply impressed with how well you were able to play given your restriction. I apologize.

Also, IHMN, could you tell me what about my play kept making you HoS me? I didn't think anything I was doing was particularly scummy, but it being my first game I'll accept there may be factors I'm not considering.

Also, I'm genuinely surprised that your entire role was simply the posting restriction. 90% of the reason I was suspicious of you was because I didn't think Fenris would give you that hefty a penalty without some other power to compensate you.

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 03:07 PM

Snake your day 1 strategy was totally risky as shit. While you helped out a lot of the mafia you outted most of the town power and gave the cult and presumably the mafia a good list of targets.
If the cult was by someone who wasn't as big a target as I was and they had a few days they would have totally crippled the town.

Like this is why I was convinced you were some kind of scum because whie you gave us maybe 1 or 2 scum roles you gave us quite a few town power roles . I was assuming you were sacrificing yourself to give the mafia information.

Like Snake, stop calling people out on "terrible" games, ffs. You were a massive help to the cult if they didn't get wiped out day 1 and I'm assuming the mafia got helped by it too.
You are in no position to commen ton the games of other and aren't some amazing super player.

Solid Snake

10-24-2011, 03:11 PM

Snake your day 1 strategy was totally risky as shit. While you helped out a lot of the mafia you outted most of the town power and gave the cult and presumably the mafia a good list of targets.

Wut
I do not remember outing any Town Power, unless you're talking about outing IHMN. How was the PO, Mayor or the Vig 'outed' by anything I did? I certainly didn't out myself as Reviver. And, again, 5 of my 7 D1 hunches in my serious "D1 suspicions" post were anti-Town roles.
What I did do was ensure greater activity led to lots of pertinent D1 and D2 information that Town could later rely upon to, for example, establish Nik was scummy the moment I flipped, suspect Greed for his inactivity, etc.

Geminex

10-24-2011, 03:11 PM

What was Snake's D1 strategy, even? I honestly couldn't put it into words. He just analyzed a lot.

IHateMakingNames

10-24-2011, 03:13 PM

Also, IHMN, could you tell me what about my play kept making you HoS me? I didn't think anything I was doing was particularly scummy, but it being my first game I'll accept there may be factors I'm not considering.

I had no extra power, just your standard drunkard with pictures.

I do not remember really suspecting you. I may have been throwing your name out to get you or others to post. When people weren't posting I threw around HoS because I needed people to react too. It's hard to introduce an idea with pictures.

At times, after looking over the mafia thread, I would then go elsewhere on the internet or even in real life and still be thinking of how to explain what I want to with pony GIFs.

Some meaning of commonly used pictures.

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/images-1.jpg
Replaced a "?" Conveys exactly what it is, a shoulder shrug. The character I used didn't matter.

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/Stare-n1299703181002.png
This was "Do as I say" till I replaced it with the Celestia Obey.

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/rarityhead.gif
Frustration on my part.

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/pinkieno-1.gif
This specifically meant "no" for misunderstandings that required a follow up explanation.

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab149/IStillHateMakingNames/spike3-1.gif
"I cannot explain what I want to with pictures."

Size of the pictures typically meant nothing. Over time I was making them smaller and smaller since I kept feeling that the pictures were too big. But I would go back and use pictures and not bother resizing at times. Though particularly big, in relation to whatever I was currently using as standard, did mean extra attention.

Sifright

10-24-2011, 03:13 PM

To be fair Nikose turning out to be scum had more to do with him lying about stuff you said and less about your actions directly, as town lying is something I would have thought was a massive no no. So some one lying in any form is a pretty big indicator as to who should be lynched. Day 2 would totally have been Nikose dying if it wasn't for the lynch override.

Bard The 5th LW

10-24-2011, 03:15 PM

You had a lucky shot Hawk.

And I don't think I was that inactive! Not at all! Funny enough, the times I was inactive were because I was just genuinely busy. Circumstance screwed me over something fierce. The fact that I didn't change my vote to Nik was pretty telling though.

Solid Snake

10-24-2011, 03:18 PM

What was Snake's D1 strategy, even? I honestly couldn't put it into words. He just analyzed a lot.

Addressed it here (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1157241&postcount=396)

Smarty's just judging me based on incomplete information as D1 and D2 are both non-representative samples of a traditional "Snake pro-Town Mafia game" as both days ended earlier than I anticipated and neither ended with a traditional lynch.

But I'm still confused as to his insinuation that I had "outed Power roles," that's something that's not supported in any way, shape or form. I didn't make Sifright reveal that Karesh was Fluttershy and I never asked the Vig, PO, or any other role to reveal itself. Maybe Smarty's just butthurt that I would've led a D1 lynch on Bob the Merc and killed a Cultist if not for Bookie's mistake. Or maybe he just hates my guts.

Bard The 5th LW

10-24-2011, 03:20 PM

If I have one regret, its that we didn't hang Solid Snake and shoot IHMN.

Oron

10-24-2011, 03:20 PM

Oh, it's over now?

This game was all over the place. Cult wipe Night 1, then mafia was going strong to the point where we were sure we'd win within a couple more game days until Nikose got lynched and Bard + Ryanderman went down that night. We got cut from about a third of the populace to... something like a fifth. Had RPG not nightkilled that night, his and our chances would have been better, since he basically rolled us over to die when we got knocked to two so quickly. Town just had to keep going down the (much shorter by then) path they were walking to lynch greed, and I knew I would come up soon without people to hide behind.

IHMN was ridiculous. I went through a mental list Night 2 and had most of it figured out (I thought so, at least). I was sure Hawk had a power role (I thought he was the Vig, because I wouldn't put it past Fenris to give someone a role based on their avatar), and Greg had to be the PO/Roleblocker. RO slipped by my radar because he was an add-in so I couldn't tell yet what role he might have been. And then IHMN had the whole list that I just read before saying to myself, "Well, he knows just about everything." I honestly broke the SK down to either RPG for his behavior or IHMN simply because he had all the scum pegged and I figured either he really didn't know who I was yet or he did and hid my name to keep the game going.

Only one of the Mafia list I didn't really peg was Bard, hence believing there was one left. And Nikose, in the sense that he was so OTT I didn't know what to think. Seriously, what was up with that?

Wonder how things would have turned out if I didn't catch greed and Oron.

If you didn't scan me and I was a little less mentally exhausted when I role claimed, I probably would just creeped through the rest of the game. I've only played a few games of Mafia before, but I've managed to go through a whole game without even being mentioned (once as a Vig). I'm not kidding about the "Unremarkable" part under my username. (I don't know why I thought I still had that in my User Info) Sometimes other players just don't talk about me during the day in these games. Note how I never made a serious vote (the one against Smarty Day 1 doesn't count) and nobody called me out on not contributing to the voting process.

That Day/Night cycle literally flipped the entire game around.

Professor Smarmiarty

10-24-2011, 03:21 PM

Wut
I do not remember outing any Town Power, unless you're talking about outing IHMN. How was the PO, Mayor or the Vig 'outed' by anything I did? I certainly didn't out myself as Reviver. And, again, 5 of my 7 D1 hunches in my serious "D1 suspicions" post were anti-Town roles.
What I did do was ensure greater activity led to lots of pertinent D1 and D2 information that Town could later rely upon to, for example, establish Nik was scummy the moment I flipped, suspect Greed for his inactivity, etc.

All that information you outed? Helped us get beads on potential mafia and town power. Like that's how we got Hawk as probably power day 1 and how we picked Nikose as scum. Then Day 2 I picked Geminex as probably power, and Ryan and Greed as scum.
We wouldn't have if we didn't have posts to work off which you drummed up with . You got heaps of information out of everyone which is good for the town but it is also useful for the cult.
I had two of the most powerful town roles in my cult sights and it was all your behaviour. Prior to you drumming up posts I had no idea who had these roles. Post you drumming up posts I did know them. I didn't know what roles they had but I had a fairly good guess they were power and it turns out they were very good power.

But Snake, everyone is just playing for fun. Stop harassign everyone and criticising their games. We're all just having fun and your game wasn't super godly. So stop being a dick to everyone. It has nothing to do with me "hating you" or you pushign for a cult lynch. I don't hate you and if you lynched a cult dude well done.

Snake, it's all in fun. You being super mean to everyone.

IHateMakingNames

10-24-2011, 03:22 PM

I'm so glad that the cult died on night 1. Cults are stupid and would have easily won this game.

I had no idea who any of the town power roles were.

Oron

10-24-2011, 03:25 PM

I'm pretty much okay with Cult dropping right away. Nikose was pretty sure he'd have been Culted first.