Gay People And Their Right To Militarize

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

It's nice and good and great to try and think globally or whatever it is the academia are up to, but functionally speaking without a broad enough audience and a sturdy enough platform you're just pissing in the breeeze.

So the best solution is just to embrace evil and be more evil than everyone else? Good plan.

In order to attain that sort of audience, you pretty much need to be in politics, but then you'd lose the autonomy necessary to be idealistic.

That and capitalist democracy is so inherentely rigged that anyone who wanted change couldn't actually get into power.

Karl Marx had some great ideas, but look where that got us.

Well they have been misused and perverted by people for their own gain- but not really his fault.

So long as people cling to their cultural identities and associate themselves with nations, you will always have these sorts of outcomes. And while from an idealistic viewpoint it might be best to just abolish all boundaries and work together in some big hippy commune, how precisely to you hope to accomplish that?

Step 1: Round up the rich people/assholes/dudes who look funny
Step 2: Murder them
Step 3: Sieze means of production
Step 4: Utopia!

[Funka Genocide]

I mean that's a pretty sweet plan, just need to work out the particulars.

(also, might want to leave out the bit about assholes, because both of us would probably be done for.)

[Loyal]

And all those poor people who needed the job in the army? They can have some of the trillions of dollars they just saved.

Wow that is so not how economy works.

In summary: army=bad, people int he army= not bad (necessarily).

Naive horseshit. Even if you're a peaceloving people with no need for anything that anybody else has, someone else is going to want something you have, and someone is going to be willing to take it by force. The army is there to protect a country's interests, and yes, sometimes that involves literally protecting oneself from external threats.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

It really does bug me when people equate racism/sexism/homophobia to hate and bigotry. It really is'nt like that. And thinking that way does'nt do anything to solve the problem.

I think you need to look up the terms. If nothing else, they're at the very least closely related.

Like, if someone is openly racist, I think it's safe to call them bigoted. You don't go spewing bile about "those damn niggers" if you, y'know, like black people.

To break it down,

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

ism
  /ˈɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice: This is the age of isms.
Origin:
extracted from words with the suffix -ism

combined with race means a doctrine or system of race, which is a nice way of saying that you either believe in or actually ENFORCE racial boundaries. Homophobia on its own means, in the literal sense, as improperly-expressed as it is, an irrational fear of homosexuals. A better word might be orientationism. Homosexuals are feared, hated, and discriminated against. Where's the love and acceptance in that?



Seriously, we have the words for a reason, and we shouldn't be trying to water down the meanings. Everyone knows what they mean and what they mean isn't exactly going out and buying them flowers.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

I mean that's a pretty sweet plan, just need to work out the particulars.

(also, might want to leave out the bit about assholes, because both of us would probably be done for.)

I reckon I can disguise it just long enough. I'll just keep myself quiet and down the back and I'll be fine.

Originally Posted by Loyal

Wow that is so not how economy works.

Hey no shit. I'm not like directly give it to them.
The vast amount of productive capacity wasted on the military could be directed to improving the standard of life for everyone. Instead it ends up being wasted (through ammunition and fuel and all the vast expendables) as well as being concentrated in the hands of people like arms manufacturers. So you effectively are giving them money, just out of the pocket of the big companies who finance/profit of the army.

Naive horseshit. Even if you're a peaceloving people with no need for anything that anybody else has, someone else is going to want something you have, and someone is going to be willing to take it by force. The army is there to protect a country's interests, and yes, sometimes that involves literally protecting oneself from external threats.

Yo do you live in the 17th century? This is not how the world/the economy works anymore.
And I'm arguing that even if it did, it shouldn't- nations are arbitrary and unnessary and armies are one of the key forces keeping them seperate- both ideology and in physical terms. Nations are devised to keep the poor distracted, fractured and downtrodden. It's totally 1984.

[Funka Genocide]

well all those ism's might not necessarily equate to hatred, but they do most definitely equate to bigotry. It's kind of the base definition.

You can obviously be a racist that doesn't hate other races, only sees them as inferior. You could be a sexist that doesn't hate the opposite gender, etc. etc.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Yo do you live in the 17th century? This is not how the world/the economy works anymore.
And I'm arguing that even if it did, it shouldn't- nations are arbitrary and unnessary and armies are one of the key forces keeping them seperate- both ideology and in physical terms.

Sadly Smarty, you're right. The primary reason armies still exist is the same reason nuclear weapons still exist. Deterrence.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

It's more because nationalism serves the interests of the rich by both fragmenting the world's poor and turning them against one another through such things as "Oh noes! Those dirty Arabs want to steal all our resources! We better stop them!"
War is a great way to distract people from real issues.

If someone wants to steal your resources, it is much cheaper to do it with economics. Military invasion doesn't make sense anymore. There are plenty of countries around the world with small/basically non-existant armies and plenty of resources- nobody invades them because that doesn't make sense. I'll use my home country as an example- New Zealand couldn't defend itself from an invasion- our army is simply tiny. We have plenty of resources that people could "steal". But nobody invades us. Why? Because they can acquire these resources much more cheaply through business.

[Funka Genocide]

I'm sad when he's right too.

But really, it's not really all that great. Nobody fucks with America directly because, I mean well shit... if some dudes from your country fly a plane into a couple of our buildings we DESTROY YOUR ENTIRE CIVILIZATION.

There are still border skirmishes, tribal warfare and "occupations" and while we really are kind of the big fat kid poking beehives with a stick, at least we're wearing one of thoe beekeepr suits.

[The Argent Lord]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

yes but goodness is not an objective state of being. it's definition is culturally based.

Just because you or I might agree or disagree does not change the cultural outcome.

I know this was a ways back, but I just wanna point out that, according to all of western philosophy, this is wrong. Ethics is founded on the very principle that there is an objective standard of morality that isn't culturally based.