MASS EFFECT TWO: GIVE GARRUS A HUG

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

C-Sec is silly.

[Melfice]

Out of context, C-Sec is silly.
Regardless of context... C-Sec is still silly, but then. Would you cross Shepard?

[Marc v4.0]

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate

[DFM]

Originally Posted by Marc v1.0

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate

Yeeeesssssssss


Solid Snake I read the start of your post but then you said you're not a feminist by any stretch and my brain sort of hemorrhaged and disgust blew out of my eyeballs.

I mean I think I can guess what you meant, but god damn son.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by DFM

Solid Snake I read the start of your post but then you said you're not a feminist by any stretch and my brain sort of hemorrhaged and disgust blew out of my eyeballs.

...Am I missing something there? Because to me saying "I'm not a feminist" means "I'm not a card-carrying member of NOW raging against how men are asinine, corrupted forces of destruction, and women are far more intelligent, far more capable and men should be constantly reminded of their evils."

Mind you, I'm basing this largely off a college experience with a feminism class I took then with a professor who raged against men with such vehement frequency and disdain that it was often difficult to even acknowledge the nuggets of truth masked behind her arguments, but, eh.

Also in the context of the point I was making, I mean, I can't imagine arguing "jeez this Gentleman's Club motif and the concept of the Asari Consort is rather ludicrously sexist" is somehow anti-women's rights.

I mean in closing, you may be referring to an early-20th century definition of feminism that now seems largely outdated (if only insofar as absolutely no sane individual argues against that definition of feminism), but I think sometimes people on the internet like to create artificial conflicts out of statements they almost seem to purposely interpret incorrectly. It should have been fairly obvious that I wasn't referring to the same definition of feminism, at any rate, and the existence of multiple definitions of the concept in modern culture is intrinsically understood.
Reading my statement about being offended at the notion of a futuristic Gentleman's Club as somehow blasting women's rights by concentrating exclusively on the one phrase that can be isolated and misinterpreted seems like the kind of behavior I'd expect from a troll trying to stir up conflict. It just feels like a lowbrow move, the kind of move Fox news would move to strip one of Obama's speeches into a socialist polemic by deliberate misinterpretation or something.

Sorry for the rant.

[Funka Genocide]

I think you're confusing militant feminism with actual feminism. You're assuming definitions which don't actually coincide with your assumptions.

Feminism has a bad rap because of the overstated effect of angry, surly looking nazi-chicks. If you believe in equality between the sexes, you're a feminist. (Since the societal default is male superiority.)

[Krylo]

Also, bring Ashley to said Gentleman's club and talk to her a few times.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Feminism has a bad rap because of the overstated effect of angry, surly looking nazi-chicks. If you believe in equality between the sexes, you're a feminist. (Since the societal default is male superiority.)

I'm positive the societal default in America is now equality between the sexes, as it has been now for several decades. And subsequently, the definition of feminism has shifted along with the societal norms. We don't think of average men and women as feminists for espousing equality: we think of men and women as feminists when they go on angry rants at college campuses about how men are atrocious, ugly, unintelligent beings who repress women in every feasible daily action.

As for my qualms with DFM, I'd be totally cool if he just casually informed me he felt my definition of feminism was off-base, but his "disgusted" reaction to my comments led me to an entirely different impression -- namely that he was actually point-blank accusing me of being anti-women's rights. Whether he did so for grins and giggles or if he was actually accusing me of some repressed bias, it's not an accusation I take lightly, particularly since it seems to ignore the rest of my comments in that same message.

[DFM]

No dude I'm not talking about you being offended, I'm talking about you saying "I'm no feminist, but..."

Because not being a feminist means you don't support gender equality. That's it. It doesn't matter what some crazy cunts said about men being evil, they're not feminists. If you associate feminism with man-hating, then that's you being wrong. It might not be your fault, I mean if I grew up with a bunch of people who said they're socialists when they were really hard line capitalists I'd have a pretty warped definition of what socialism is, but I'd still be wrong. (Wouldn't be my fault, though.)

So no, 'Gender Equality' is not the early twentieth century definition of feminism, it's the definition of fucking feminism. I'm not going to go into second or third wave or any of that crap because it's irrelevant. I'll admit I have a hard time believing you think one gender or sex is naturally superior to the other, and what actually pissed me off was the fact that you said 'I'm no feminist' because it's another sign that there are people out there who've warped this shit so badly people who goddamn want exactly what we want don't want to be associated with it.

It's like saying Hey, I'm no fan of civil rights, but that's racist and the idea of people considering that to be a valid sentiment pisses me fucking off.


I'M ANGRY.

Edit: THEORETICAL EQUALITY AND ACTUAL EQUALITY ARE NOT THE SAME NOW I'M EVEN ANGRIER

[Funka Genocide]

You might be positive, but you're wrong.

Wrong as in incorrect, not right, etc.

basically, this is the internet, and DFM is crazy, but you're wrong and seem to be trying to force the definition of a term to change because you feel it should.