I am a Pescatarian

[katiuska]

Originally Posted by Nique

Issat like... eco-vege-terriorism? Carrot bombs mabye?

He means vegetarianism based on ecological concerns. Basically, it takes a fuckload of resources to farm lifestock and it's a, if not the, major cause of deforestation. It also takes a lot of resources for agriculture, but it's arguably one step toward a more sustainable system. I'm going to leave it at that, because frankly I don't really care about arguing over vegetarian beliefs, but a lot of vegetarian reading gives space this argument because it raises more practical issues than "eating animals is wrong guys."

[Odjn]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

I eat people, But you allready know this.

Lookit da baby, he's trying to be badass. Aw, adorable.

[Osterbaum]

Originally Posted by katiuska

He means vegetarianism based on ecological concerns. Basically, it takes a fuckload of resources to farm lifestock and it's a, if not the, major cause of deforestation. It also takes a lot of resources for agriculture, but it's arguably one step toward a more sustainable system. I'm going to leave it at that, because frankly I don't really care about arguing over vegetarian beliefs, but a lot of vegetarian reading gives space this argument because it raises more practical issues than "eating animals is wrong guys."

This, basically. Although the ecological and evironmental problems that arise from extensive lifestock farming are more numerous still.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Odjn

Lookit da baby, he's trying to be badass. Aw, adorable.

Less cannibal, more horn-dog.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by Odjn

Lookit da baby, he's trying to be Fifthfiend. Aw, adorable.

Fixed that for ya.

[Funka Genocide]

Originally Posted by Azisien

For the sake of discussion, can this be substantiated beyond the obvious pooh-pooh? It's a fair consideration, I guess, except I've never seen a government food pyramid that actually supports vegetarianism or veganism? Or pescatarian really, though I suppose that'd be possible according to Canada's.

You seem to have placed question marks at the end of statements which aren't technically questions, which makes it harder to reply.

To be frank, I don't think you understood what I was saying and I don't understand what you are saying, so using those two basic admissions as a starting point, here we go!

I guess I'll begin by reiterating my main points.

1.) I think any sort of morally motivated diet is unlikely to have any basis in logic or utilitarian fact. It's just a belief system, which doesn't need to be substantiated by anything more than the heartfelt desires of its practitioners.

2.) The American food pyramid is not based on a scientifically defined healthy diet, but on the desired consumption of marketable foodstuffs. Such obvious fallacies as putting processed carbohydrates as the base (white flour is almost completely devoid of nutritional value, as are most pastas.) as well as giving dairy products their own niche (it is unnatural for a human being to consume dairy products after being weened from breast feeding, there is no way that they make up a substantial portion of a scientifically proper diet.) lead me to believe that it's only a means to supporting American agricultural and food production industries.

So, what I meant to say was that cutting out meat because meat used to have a face is silly, and our government blatantly lies to us about what we should be eating. Basically, one of the most important facets of human existence, what we consume to continue living, is a half understood mish-mash of hearsay and fuzzy feelings and I want none of it.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

You seem to have placed question marks at the end of statements which aren't technically questions, which makes it harder to reply.

To be frank, I don't think you understood what I was saying and I don't understand what you are saying, so using those two basic admissions as a starting point, here we go!

I guess I'll begin by reiterating my main points.

1.) I think any sort of morally motivated diet is unlikely to have any basis in logic or utilitarian fact. It's just a belief system, which doesn't need to be substantiated by anything more than the heartfelt desires of its practitioners.

2.) The American food pyramid is not based on a scientifically defined healthy diet, but on the desired consumption of marketable foodstuffs. Such obvious fallacies as putting processed carbohydrates as the base (white flour is almost completely devoid of nutritional value, as are most pastas.) as well as giving dairy products their own niche (it is unnatural for a human being to consume dairy products after being weened from breast feeding, there is no way that they make up a substantial portion of a scientifically proper diet.) lead me to believe that it's only a means to supporting American agricultural and food production industries.

So, what I meant to say was that cutting out meat because meat used to have a face is silly, and our government blatantly lies to us about what we should be eating. Basically, one of the most important facets of human existence, what we consume to continue living, is a half understood mish-mash of hearsay and fuzzy feelings and I want none of it.

It seems you haven't seen the new food pyramid. That's fine. It's an easy mistake. With how unintelligible it is, I'm sure many people think it's a logo.


Also, put simply, humans have been eating dairy since the dawn of agrarian civilization, meaning before recorded history. During recorded history, the Mongols were famous for making a pseudo-yogurt out of fermented horse milk and using it as a staple food. In areas with goats, goat milk was often a staple food item either alone or made into cheese. Milk is such a good source of protein and nutrients that SNAKES drink it. Ever see a snake with a set of jugs? Well, maybe you did, but then it probably walked around at conventions along with a cornucopia of other wildlife not acting like it was supposed to. Wolves posing suggestively with rabbits and all. The point being we humans are omnivores, which means we om-nom-nom anything not moving faster than we are, meaning milk is fair game and has the bonus of being healthy and delicious.

[synkr0nized]

Meat is too good not to eat it.

Unrelated, but Pyros why do you begin posts in the third person and then slip back into first?

[PyrosNine]

There is an answer to this, but I've been doing it for the longest time without any complaints so that I've somewhat forgotten it.

Probably that I wrote each part in a separate frame of mind and the change of perspective allows others to differentiate between Pyros being silly and me being somewhat serious, as far as I can be serious.

Oddly enough, i think I've only gotten one other person to call me out on it, everyone else just assumes I'm crazy or something.

[Funka Genocide]

I am not aware of a new official US food guide pyramid, a link would be nice as google seems to turn up a lot of unofficial (but slightly more sensical) results.

Edit: ok found it, it's still fucking stupid. Your point is invalid.

It doesn't describe why those food groups are important, or how they interact with your physiology. It's just word of god bullshit to market to children. It's useless. Advanced nutrtitional science needs to be a mandatory part of primary and secondary school curriculums, but this will never happen as an informed populace is one that doesn't buy gallons of milk and eat at Mc Donalds.

Also, I never said that dairy products weren't delicious or an integral part of human culture, just that making the argument that they are a natural part of a human diet is silly. If we take the human animal, minus the traipsings of culture and civilization, it is very unlikely that he'd have regular access to dairy products. Only with the advent of domestic animals does this occur. So while froma cultural perspective of course it's normal to consume dairy products, from a bare bones biological perspective it doesn't make much sense. (which is why it doesn't deserve its slot of the pyramid, you don't "need" dairy to be healthy, just like you don't need to eat processed grain products.)