Roger Ebert claims "video games cannot be art"; molests children.

[Mike McC]

Lets say I walk up, and punch you in the face. I then declare it was performance art without a hint of insincerity. Is it Art?

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Mesden

Everyone just seems to be outraged that someone doesn't think as highly of video games as us internet dwellers but for all intents and purposes, there's nothing wrong with the man's viewpoint. If he thinks it spoils artistic integrity for something to have arbitrary goals and mechanics, and all those other things games have that define them as games, then as long as he has a legitimate reason there's no point in being so upset about it.

Not everyone. My issue with his statements is that he's basically telling countless artists that the art they've spent so much of their time creating isn't art at all and never will be, which I feel is insulting and dismissive to them to say the least.

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Mike McC

Lets say I walk up, and punch you in the face. I then declare it was performance art without a hint of insincerity. Is it Art?

Is that a koan? Should I be contemplating the nature of enlightenment?

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Mesden

then as long as he has a legitimate reason there's no point in being so upset about it.

You can't have a legitimate opinion on something without experiencing it.

It would be like me trying to tell you that having penises in your vagina sucks because obviously the act of penetration is superior to the act of penetrating. Maybe I could draw some comparisons on how like, any OTHER kind of penetration of the body is usually pretty terrible or something.

MAYBE if he actually played some of the more artistic games or did even some cursory research into the subject he could have a legitimate opinion.

He admits he has done neither, and so as it stands, he has none.

It's why I haven't, until now, bothered to actually respond to anything dealing with Ebert directly.

Originally Posted by Mike McC

Lets say I walk up, and punch you in the face. I then declare it was performance art without a hint of insincerity. Is it Art?

Let's say something is critiqued by art critics, put in a museum, and taught to art students as art.

Does it make you an idiot for insisting it isn't? Yes.

Also it wouldn't surprise me if someone doing that was actually a piece of performance art that existed to explore the violent undertones of modern society and how the modern man represses his primal urges even in the face of obvious force.

[Mike McC]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Let's say something is critiqued by art critics, put in a museum, and taught to art students as art.

Does it make you an idiot for insisting it isn't? Yes.

But why does it?

Originally Posted by Krylo

Also it wouldn't surprise me if someone doing that was actually a piece of performance art that existed to explore the violent undertones of modern society and how the modern man represses his primal urges even in the face of obvious force.

But... is it Art?

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Mike McC

But... is it Art?

Yes. Jegus fucking Christ it is art. Okay?

I mean, if nothing else it at least falls under martial arts which has the word "art" in it so I guess you could say that it totally is art.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Mike McC

Lets say I walk up, and punch you in the face. I then declare it was performance art without a hint of insincerity. Is it Art?

Depends how all right you are with getting punched back.

[Meister]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Depends how all right you are with getting punched back.

True artists suffer for their art.

[Mike McC]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Yes. Jegus fucking Christ it is art. Okay?

I mean, if nothing else it at least falls under martial arts which has the word "art" in it so I guess you could say that it totally is art.

So, if someone declares something is Art, than it is always Art?

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Meister

True artists suffer for their art.

Yup.

Originally Posted by Mike McC

So, if someone declares something is Art, than it is always Art?

Start here, proceed through all the cited works, maybe take an art course.

Come back when you're done being ignorant and obstinate just for shits and giggles.

And stop trolling.