Roger Ebert claims "video games cannot be art"; molests children.

[Fifthfiend]

If you ask him to hit you back it's a major motion picture.

Starring Meatloaf.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Krylo

You can't have a legitimate opinion on something without experiencing it.

It would be like me trying to tell you that having penises in your vagina sucks because obviously the act of penetration is superior to the act of penetrating. Maybe I could draw some comparisons on how like, any OTHER kind of penetration of the body is usually pretty terrible or something.

MAYBE if he actually played some of the more artistic games or did even some cursory research into the subject he could have a legitimate opinion.

He admits he has done neither, and so as it stands, he has none.

It's why I haven't, until now, bothered to actually respond to anything dealing with Ebert directly.

See, this is why I made that chess analogy. Playing or not playing the game isn't relevant to his point. He just chose something inherent to all games (not just video games) and said that that quality, the one the makes them games, differences them from art. If that's his opinion then he doesn't have to play the game. That it is called a game is a justification for his reasoning (which isn't horrible, mind you, but very easy to disagree with).

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Mesden

See, this is why I made that chess analogy. Playing or not playing the game isn't relevant to his point. He just chose something inherent to all games (not just video games) and said that that quality, the one the makes them games, differences them from art. If that's his opinion then he doesn't have to play the game. That it is called a game is a justification for his reasoning (which isn't horrible, mind you, but very easy to disagree with).

It's not legitimate, however, because no one is claiming that a simple game such as chess, checkers, solitaire, poker, etc. is art. They are JUST a game and nothing else. I know I don't have to actually explain the differences to any of the members here, so I won't do so in detail.

The point, however, is that many video games make socio-political points, express ideas, exist to create beauty, etc. etc. all those things which the art community defines as the actual purpose of art.

If he had done some cursory research he'd know these things are inherent to art and that there are no things which EXCLUDE something from being art. There for he would not be making ignorant definitions of art.

If he had played some games he'd know that video games include those things and therefore not have removed them from the purview of art/artistic endeavor.

As that he's done NEITHER he can have no legitimate point.

Much as if he did a movie review and admitted half way through that he had never seen the movie but the trailers are pretty shit, no one would accept it, no one should, either, accept his ideas on video games vis a vis art, until he has educated himself on both matters.

He's, frankly, not worth the time.

Adam Sessler was because he has some idea of what he's talking about for at least HALF of the equation.

[Fifthfiend]

Mesden. MESDEN.

Is American Idol art?

[Fifthfiend]

Answer:

Not this fucking season it ain't.

[DFM]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

If you ask him to hit you back it's a major motion picture.

Starring Meatloaf.

What if he hangs a sign up in front of a cardboard tunnel that says "The Punch You in the Face Tunnel." and then waits at the other end for people to go through.

[Fifthfiend]

because no one is claiming that a simple game such as chess, checkers, solitaire, poker, etc. is art.

I am totally claiming that chess is art, chess is art as fuck.

[Krylo]

Is Simon still on that show, because he can get pretty artistic sometimes.

Edit: No one except Fifthfiend is saying that simple games etc. etc. art blah blah blah.

[DFM]

No I agree chess seems pretty artsy.

[Fifthfiend]

For literally centuries chess has been the medium through which people have experienced revelations about themselves and others and the broader nature of humanity and interconnected human society, guided by a simple set of interactions nonetheless allowing for variations of infinite complexity.

That shit is art as hell.