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Unread 08-27-2010, 12:36 AM   #10
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COMING UP WITH A TECHNIQUE INVOLVING A MECHANIC THAT IS PERFECTLY VIABLE FOR ANYONE DOES NOT GIVE YOU EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO IT.
Hey, I wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't gone "I just posted something like that!".
And ok, so maybe it wasn't about plagiarism. But the argument as you meant it to be didn't make sense. This is (or, rather, will be, I hope) part of my upgrades. Means I don't get it for free. Which is the entire problem I have with your stuff. It's not excessively strong as it is. There's nothing wrong with it in those regards. But you're asking to get it without having to level-up, without having to sacrifice any particular skill for it. And because that's the case, those techniques are way to strong. Since there's no need for balancing either. There's no need to get a free upgrade. You just want one. And AB's giving it to you.
And no, the credit for the half-demoness thing is entirely yours. I don't even remember that.


And there's a difference between "influencing the plot through your in-character actions" and "Deciding OOC what will happen to NPCs and the party"
You will be doing the former. I will be doing the latter. I think.
And yes, you have the right to ask him that. But I have more of a right than you, because, y'know, the plot will involve my character doing certain things, whether I want him to or not.
But let us end this particular element of the discussion for it is stupid.

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Ah, but how would you know how much I know?
That is also stupid.

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And if you don't like me, why did you friend me?
Look, I was drunk and it was a mistake, ok? It happened one time, and it doesn't mean anything!

Ok, so maybe I give off the "I'm always right" vibe. But come on, I propose something 5 threads ago, and it gets rejected as "doesn't make any sense why would that even happen". Menarker proposes it now, justifies it a lot less well, and suddenly AB's like "I hadn't thought of that!". YES. YOU HAD. YOU READ A GREAT BIG LONG PARAGRAPH ABOUT IT BEFORE TELLING ME I WAS STUPID FOR SUGGESTING IT.

And now the same thing with the Trainer actions vs. Tactical actions! He's perfectly open to you guys asking for a free upgrade, but when I propose a way to make my upgrades logical (because he already approved all the abilities, all I'm trying to do is regulate how Impact uses them. Because giving him a dozen rage-using techniques would be stupid, and so would just letting him use each technique once per turn for free) he instantly goes "no, next RP". And even if I propose more stuff than you guys do, proposals should be weighed on their own merits, not rejected because one of my things already got accepted last thread. It's not like I'm asking for favors, after all, I'm try to improve the RP.

And come on. When have I ever sulked or played victim when one of my things got rejected? I always compromise, always try to make some sort of deal we both benefit from! And I'm not that condescending when I do so (only when I see your objection as utterly unjustified and/or only there to troll me(. And I'm not sulking either. I'm just pointing out that there seem to be some inconsistencies regarding what gets accepted and what doesn't. Worst-case, AB calls me a Whaaambulance, best-case he becomes more open to the stuff I suggest.

Though AB, please ignore the above bit. I'm making a point to Drac, I don't actually mean to complain anymore. See below for my response to your stuff.

And like I said, the moves all seem interesting, but there's honestly no reason for you to get them for free...
If you put them into breeder, replace some other upgrade with them, great! I'd be behind that, because it's creative and pretty awesome. Or even if you really want them now, you could replace, I dunno, your leader pokemon with them? Or maybe go back to having just 4 pokemon in your team? I don't mind how you do it. But I'm heavily against you getting an upgrade of this magnitude for free without a shred of justification (because that paragraph at the end of your post doesn't actually make a point), unless, like I said, pokebrids and slayers get something similar, also for free.



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Nope, I meant more powerful custom items for pokebrids (a somewhat higher level upgrade). He wants more effectiveness with support? He can work with that. He wants MORE POWER? He got that covered. Kinda cater more to his playing style. >_>
Ok, that's cool. As long as it's "At a higher level".

And I don't put it past you to power up pokebrid and then decide you'd prefer that class, citing my extensive objections to your choosing Slayer as a reason for your sudden switch, but very well. Benefit of the doubt and all that.
Like I said, if we power up sync-techs a little, make it so you don't need to be paradigm-shifted to use them, I think pokebrids should be fine. You're right that they're not as strong defensively, but they're weaker in their "normal" form cause they're really strong when they're shifted.

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Refer to the bolded part to see which part I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure AB intended that a new sync-tech becomes unlocked when they get a new form and Devas might end up with more than the max of 3 forms and at different levels than when everyone else gets them. I honestly wouldn't vouch for that. Let them get more Devas levels if they want more forms and thus more techs.
And if AB intended that, fine. He can do that. I'm just saying that it really doesn't make much sense for pokebrids to get their signature techniques with each new form, rather than with levels like all the other classes (except, admittedly, demon). I'm also saying that it would be more sense if sync-techs were treated like signature techniques, with all the applicable limitations and benefits. And if AB really wants them to have a lot of forms and a technique for each, we could give pokebrids the choice of foregoing their relationship techs in favor of more sync-techs. I think Matt might certainly benefit from that.

Ok, first, I've actually played Overlord once, at a friend's house, and I stopped in disgust after half an hour. That's just... not how you do it.
Mind you, I'd be happy to have Impact actually do something in this RP!
But the whole "Ooh, look at me, I am evil, I wear evil clothing, I do evil, if surprisingly petty things, I have an evil chair, muahahaha!" thing is stupid. Impact's goal won't be "Be evil". He'll have a series of goals, and he'll act in accordance with those goals. He will do what makes those goals more likely. He's evil in that he's ruthless in support of those goals, and in that those goals aren't always very nice, but I won't make him more evil or overlord-esque for the sole purpose of actually making him seem more like a villain.
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Just sayin'.

And like I mentioned above, Tactions will just be a way to manage all the stuff Impact will be doing. I asked for a variety of abilities, and you seemed to be ok with those. But how to manage them? Making them all rage-fuelled would be sorta stupid, cause he already has barely enough rage to use all his techniques with, let alone to use all the other stuff he's gonna get.
So, I thought it'd be good to introduce tactical actions with which he pays for the abilities he uses. He'd get, like, two tactical actions per turn to begin with, and three abilities to use them with, and as he levels up, he'd get more actions per turn, and a greater wealth of abilities. I'd still get a bit of stuff for combat, but by level 10, Impact's main role would be "strategic supporter", and by level 15 that would be even more the case. And I mean, he doesn't have to be the only one to use that system. You said you were thinking of coming up with a scout class (or, well, I complained that there wasn't one and you said ok), that could employ something similar.
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