What In The Fuck Has Obama Done So Far?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Yes, there are people who want this. That does not mean it is a good thing.

You know what? Fuck illegal immigrants.

I don't give a good goddamn if the system is messed up. I know just how messed up it is, I've lived here for ten fucking years and we're still in that system. But it exists. It's possible to work through it. It's not perfect, it's not working like it should, and it's a complete and utter pain in the ass. But every single one of those people that crossed that border was knowingly breaking the law for their own convenience.

Maybe I'm just bitter about the idea of being utterly fucked over by the system only to realize that I'd have had an easier time if my family had just hopped the border.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by grthwllms

But every single one of those people that crossed that border was knowingly breaking the law for their own convenience.

The sheer ignorance and assholishness displayed in this singular sentence is so astounding I do believe it's pretty much a singularity of stupid dickery. Just... wow.

Maybe I'm just bitter about the idea of being utterly fucked over by the system only to realize that I'd have had an easier time if my family had just hopped the border.

Right, because life as an illegal immigrant is so easy. Sure is great paying money into social services of which you are unable to avail yourself unlike legal citizens, while making less than a legal citizen working at minimum wage could in three or four hours per day on average. Oh, and all the while trying to support a family still in Mexico, as many tend to do, from what I've read. Sounds fan-fucking-tastic. In fact, it sounds so fantastic why don't you get started on that.

Yeah, I can't see getting mad about deporting people who knowingly did something fully aware of the risk of deportation.

Well, the way I see it, if they came to the country full awares of the risk of deportation, they probably did it because things were so shit that all the risks entailed in cross the border illegally (and there are a lot of risks) were better than them and their family being stuck in the situation they were in. Just a guess. So, when a situation and a system exist to fuck those people over as much as possible, to the point where they're willing to take on these risks, then yes I'm going to get fucking mad at them being deported, because they are being deported due to the fucking shit-ass system that is designed as heavily as possible to screw them over.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by NonCon

The sheer ignorance and assholishness displayed in this singular sentence is so astounding I do believe it's pretty much a singularity of stupid dickery. Just... wow.

I'll get right on giving a shit, NonCon.
Trust me.

Right, because life as an illegal immigrant is so easy.

Wow! If it's so hard being an illegal immigrant, maybe, just maybe...they shouldn't have become one in the first place?

Sure is great paying money into social services of which you are unable to avail yourself unlike legal citizens

Tell me about it.

while making less than a legal citizen working at minimum wage could in three or four hours per day on average. Oh, and all the while trying to support a family still in Mexico, as many tend to do, from what I've read. Sounds fan-fucking-tastic. In fact, it sounds so fantastic why don't you get started on that.

Well, actually I already legally have a job, and like all other legal residents of the United States, I'm subject to the laws of minimum wage. So I don't actually work for less than anyone else of my education level or social status!
It's amazing how that works!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by grthwllms

Wow! If it's so hard being an illegal immigrant, maybe, just maybe...they shouldn't have become one in the first place?

I reckon you should just go tell the illegal immigrants that. I don't think they've worked this out and yet and will be super grateful that you have enlightened them so.

While you are it go tell poor people they could have a better life if they weren't poor so they should look into being rich.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by grthwllms

Wow! If it's so hard being an illegal immigrant, maybe, just maybe...they shouldn't have become one in the first place?

Well, actually I already legally have a job, and like all other legal residents of the United States, I'm subject to the laws of minimum wage. So I don't actually work for less than anyone else of my education level or social status!
It's amazing how that works!

grthwllms: Illegal immigrants have it so easy! Fuck them!

Me: Illegal immigrants don't actually have it so easy.

grthwllms: WELL THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by NonCon

grthwllms: Illegal immigrants have it so easy! Fuck them!

Me: Illegal immigrants don't actually have it so easy.

grthwllms: WELL THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

Hey that's not what I said whatsoever and you're already banned so what now. I can admit I can see how you read my post now, but what I meant was I am bitter at the prospect of Illegal immigrants in this country being rewarded for it while the law abiding immigrants continue with the same existence they've always had.
So it's more like

Me: Hey I know the immigration system is pretty fucked up but it's still there and is still viable enough for millions of people to fucking use it so why exactly am I required to support rewarding Illegal immigrants for being illegal immigrants?

Noncon: You're an asshole.

Me: No you, asshole.

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

That was pretty breathtakingly hateful, ignorant, irrational, and viciously misanthropic on a level only seen... every day in American politics, sadly.

And that "their own convenience" bit was just some really shamefully overt trolling. Maybe next you could tell us how the government should keep out of your Medicare, or how the deficit is a massive problem that can only be solved with tax cuts?

I don't hate them, I just don't quite feel like I can give enough of a fuck if they're having to face the consequences of their actions.

By the way, thanks ever so much for calling someone who disagrees with you a troll, once again you prove yourself a master of open minded debate.

[Fifthfiend]

Fuck illegal immigrants.

Originally Posted by grthwllms

I don't hate them

Lol, backpedal faster

Originally Posted by grthwllms

By the way, thanks ever so much for calling someone who disagrees with you a troll, once again you prove yourself a master of open minded debate.

Hahahahahahahaha, fantastic.

(night)Shine on you crazy diamond.

EDIT

Originally Posted by grthwllms

you're already banned so what now.

And now bragging on yourself for getting someone banned. You really are playing all the classics.

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by grthwllms

Hey that's not what I said whatsoever and you're already banned so what now.

I would prefer not to ever see anyone post something like this again. Well, I'm sure in some contexts it's not the same, but you know what I mean.

[Tev]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Well, the way I see it, if they came to the country full awares of the risk of deportation, they probably did it because things were so shit that all the risks entailed in cross the border illegally (and there are a lot of risks) were better than them and their family being stuck in the situation they were in. Just a guess. So, when a situation and a system exist to fuck those people over as much as possible, to the point where they're willing to take on these risks, then yes I'm going to get fucking mad at them being deported, because they are being deported due to the fucking shit-ass system that is designed as heavily as possible to screw them over.

You know, maybe it's because I'm American, or because I'm been watching a lot of television coverage of the demonstrations in both France and England over social issues, but I just look at Mexico, see the people fleeing from it on a daily basis, and go "Fuck, why don't these people take to their own streets and riot already?" I'd really like to see the Mexican people throw out their worthless government and all the drug cartels on their own and start fresh as a people. Do they need a Zorro-esque character to lead them? Is that what they are waiting for?

Anyway, I've got no problems with immigrants (illegal or otherwise) coming here because it's a better place. It's just that Mexico is a shit country and I'd really like to see a modern revolution. Also the illegality of some immigrants makes them vulnerable to abuse. Our immigration system isn't perfect but it really isn't meant to handle wave after wave of refugees like it did back in the Ellis Island days when getting here by boat was slow, many people died on the trip over, and we had lots of room and work for the people who survived the ordeal.

Anyway, I lost sight of my point a while back and I'm pretty sure I should have stopped typing somewhere around "I've got no problem with immigrants," but I'm only half awake right now and that center of the that makes these kind of judgments is still offline.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Tev

You know, maybe it's because I'm American, or because I'm been watching a lot of television coverage of the demonstrations in both France and England over social issues, but I just look at Mexico, see the people fleeing from it on a daily basis, and go "Fuck, why don't these people take to their own streets and riot already?" I'd really like to see the Mexican people throw out their worthless government and all the drug cartels on their own and start fresh as a people. Do they need a Zorro-esque character to lead them? Is that what they are waiting for?

Anyway, I've got no problems with immigrants (illegal or otherwise) coming here because it's a better place. It's just that Mexico is a shit country and I'd really like to see a modern revolution. Also the illegality of some immigrants makes them vulnerable to abuse. Our immigration system isn't perfect but it really isn't meant to handle wave after wave of refugees like it did back in the Ellis Island days when getting here by boat was slow, many people died on the trip over, and we had lots of room and work for the people who survived the ordeal.

Anyway, I lost sight of my point a while back and I'm pretty sure I should have stopped typing somewhere around "I've got no problem with immigrants," but I'm only half awake right now and that center of the that makes these kind of judgments is still offline.

They all trying to make ends meet at their 3 jobs giving them little time and energy to congregate combined with brutal oppression by all sides and people's revolt are pretty much always crushed by the ruling powers- the US in particular wouldn't look kindly on one happening right next to them.