Above Political Correctness

[rpgdemon]

It's like, instead of calling someone "Sir", you called them "Mister".

[Overcast]

That does sound like splitting hairs at that point, and from what you two put up it does seem like people get a bit excessive about that. Which just leads me back to what I was saying, you certainly were not trying to insult her, I'm sure the guy buying tickets wasn't trying to insult the guy selling them, and yet they both decided to sacrifice their professionalism just because you did say it. Is it really that huge of a deal?

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Overcast

To clarify the last time I said that was when you entered my audiophilia thread with a single gif and didn't bother even making much of a point. Here you decided to do the same, refusing to respond to the rest of my post and singling out something as a reason why I shouldn't be allowed to state my opinions.

He does that a lot.

I, personally, have long been a subscriber to the belief that words are goddamn words and that enforcing political correctness for the sake of political correctness is rather Orwellian.

This thread is doubleplusgood.

[rpgdemon]

People -like- to be offended.

I mean, why'd you have to yell at Fifthfiend, when he was pointing out that the way that you phrased something wasn't great? Why'd Fifthfiend have to yell at you about starting a topic that he disagreed with? People like being offended, because it lets them grandstand and be all, "LOOK AT ME, SIDE WITH ME, BE NICE TO ME, BECAUSE SOMEONE WRONGED ME.", without having any real negative repercussions.

[akaSM]

IMHO, a medic/patient relation should be based on trust, it's when people stop using "usted" as the only way of talking to you when you realize you're not the "holier than thou person in the white coat" but someone the patient can trust.

Everyone else was nice at the hospital (nurses, the people who clean and stuff) it was just that doctor and another one who kept me waiting for around 6 hours before doing whatever he had to do so that I could go home, because I was talking with my dad over the phone telling him that I would go out that day.

Yeah, I'll keep my ego under control, I don't wanna be like those people >_>

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Overcast

I am being condescending because I find the fact that people do react that way as idiotic

And, wow, now you've confirmed my impression of your initial post beyond anything I would have expected.

Originally Posted by Overcast

you are speaking to my blunt honesty as if that is reason enough not to talk to me...

At the very least debunk my whole fucking idea.

By your own admission above, you were not asking a sincere question, but rather, were indicating that people who don't share your viewpoint are idiots.

It is specifically that blunt dishonesty and insincerity in your OP that I responded to and objected to.

Again, I really cannot stress enough that by your own words, your intention was to use the posture of "asking questions" to condescend to people who don't share your views, because you consider them idiots.

That being your view, it's fairly amazing that you would then go on to say that I'm obligated to respond to the rest of your post, premised as it is on a false claim.

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Actually, simple psychology says that OC is entirely correct in that it is you who decides how to react to what people say and do in your presence. Indeed, it's one of the primary things used in couple's counseling and anger counseling. One has to release the idea that what someone else does makes them angry, and instead embrace the idea that they get angry when someone does something.

It sounds like silly semantics, but it makes measured dialogue easier without blaming, and presents a sense of agency in the offended party when they embrace the idea that it is they who are in charge of their reactions, and not everyone else.

I didn't realize that couples therapy was based on passive aggresion and denial :/

The notion that people's immediate emotional responses are actually the result of some sort of conscious decision is really going to need more support before I consider it anything more than a spurious claim. And the notion that this somehow removes blaming is also fairly unbelievable since as OC demonstrates above, it is absolutely about blame, IE, blaming the individual having an offended reaction for that reaction.

EDIT: I should say, I can certainly see where there is a place for the sort of thing you're talking about, but really, it likewise shouldn't take a lot to see where that sort of thing can easily be used as a shutdown tactic against people's entirely valid reactions to injurious conduct.

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Originally Posted by Fenris

He does that a lot.

I haven't done anything of the kind, here in this thread.

I did indicate that stating his opinions in (what he has admitted was) a (deliberately) condescending manner wasn't really the way to go about things if he was interested in any kind of sincere, productive dialogue.

Also, I realize you only see insults in Noncon's posts and mine, but as I've said, he did just call anyone who doesn't share his views an idiot. I mean, you've made it quite clear that you do share his view, so maybe that's all right with you.

[The SSB Intern]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Actually, simple psychology says that OC is entirely correct in that it is you who decides how to react to what people say and do in your presence. Indeed, it's one of the primary things used in couple's counseling and anger counseling. One has to release the idea that what someone else does makes them angry, and instead embrace the idea that they get angry when someone does something.

It sounds like silly semantics, but it makes measured dialogue easier without blaming, and presents a sense of agency in the offended party when they embrace the idea that it is they who are in charge of their reactions, and not everyone else.

This is all pretty much how I feel. But what really interests/confuses me is that there are people who are offended by the very concept of political correctness. Sometimes these happen to be the people who are the subjects of the PC labels, so I suppose they might find them to be patronizing or something, but most of the time it is some other party completely unrelated to the PC who finds definitively inoffensive words completely abhorrent.

[rpgdemon]

Here's what I don't get: If you know that something offends someone, why continue to do it?


I mean, sure, they could be the most unreasonable person ever, getting offended because of a word like spoon, but if you know that it offends them, why continue using it? It's not like it's hard to NOT use language that offends people based on words, and not the connotation that you're giving them. Even if they're being unreasonable, you don't have to be.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Here's what I don't get: If you know that something offends someone, why continue to do it?


I mean, sure, they could be the most unreasonable person ever, getting offended because of a word like spoon, but if you know that it offends them, why continue using it? It's not like it's hard to NOT use language that offends people based on words, and not the connotation that you're giving them. Even if they're being unreasonable, you don't have to be.

While I agree with the concept wholeheartedly, the reality is that habits are really hard to break, especially those you've been entrenched in for a while.

Example: like, as a trombonist, I've been holding the slide of the damn thing wrong for a decade and when I'm not actively thinking about it, I occasionally revert back to that habit pattern I've formed.

Same thing applies to speech. Once you stop thinking about it, you revert.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Here's what I don't get: If you know that something offends someone, why continue to do it?


I mean, sure, they could be the most unreasonable person ever, getting offended because of a word like spoon, but if you know that it offends them, why continue using it? It's not like it's hard to NOT use language that offends people based on words, and not the connotation that you're giving them. Even if they're being unreasonable, you don't have to be.

I know! When did common decency just go out of vogue? People shouldn't struggle to be P.C. but they should at least be nice enough to consider that they may be hurting someone's feelings with what they say. Stick and stones still applies but that doesn't mean we should all just be assholes.

Society shouldn't police what people say, but people should ask themselves every now and then if they feel that the way they say things is appropriate or not.