My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[Ramary]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Still, you sure as hell find a better reason to vote me out of this game than "winning the war on fun." I have too much pride in my Mafia gamesmanship to accept the idea that I'd be voted off simply for desiring to make an intelligent contribution.

Somehow I sense this could very well be a trap.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Ramary

Somehow I sense this could very well be a trap.

Ramary confirmed for Dark Lord of the Sith.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Karesh

I feel like you could have just as easily made an intellectual contribution without making the incredibly unintelligent assertion that we're all stupid for playing a game like it's a game.

So you're conceding that you're letting a personal interpretation of perceived hostility or the slight of an imagined offense dictate your perception as to whether I'm Scum or Town? Because, let's face it, assuming you have even the slightest degree of respect for my Mafia playing abilities, you'd essentially be conceding that the manner in which I've just now acted is not how I would have behaved if I were actually Scum. Because if I was Scum and I just insulted everyone for the mere sake of insulting everyone, my Scumteam would have every right to justifiably think I was the most stupid Mafia player in human history for creating a ruckus and drawing attention to myself when I could have just been inactive and escaped scrutiny.

Hell, I even had the perfect excuse to be inactive and skirt through D1. I hadn't posted in more than a week, maybe two weeks. And it'd make perfect sense for me to act on the exact strategy that was so successful for Scum last game if I was, in fact, Scum; namely, you're concentrating on the active players and letting inactives and barely-actives skirt under the radar, which is exactly what's happened before, so as Scum assuming I had two brain cells in my head I'd keep my mouth shut, say vaguely noncommittal, noncontroversial things if necessary and skirt by until / unless I was pressured.

You see I don't blame you for being offended by the fact that I basically insinuated y'all were stupid but I do blame you for interpreting the personal slight as 'Scummy behavior.' It isn't. The reality of the matter is the only reason you're voting against me now is that your panties are twisted because I dared insinuate you guys were playing a poor game. That's anti-town logic. You're not voting me off because you legit think I've been assigned a Scum role, you're just voting me because you don't like the way I'm playing the game.

Again: anti-town logic. You'll kill a lot of increasingly frustrated or angry Townies that way as opposed to actually killing off Scum, who will be very friendly and agreeable as they have the benefit of additional information to inform their decisions and they won't need to take risks and say controversial things in order to garner information as to who's Town and who isn't. You shouldn't be worried about the controversial players. You should be worried about those who tell you how great you're doing and how comfortable they are with your play. They're the ones with daggers behind their roses.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

So you're conceding that you're letting a personal interpretation of perceived hostility or the slight of an imagined offense dictate your perception as to whether I'm Scum or Town? Because, let's face it, assuming you have even the slightest degree of respect for my Mafia playing abilities, you'd essentially be conceding that the manner in which I've just now acted is not how I would have behaved if I were actually Scum. Because if I was Scum and I just insulted everyone for the mere sake of insulting everyone, my Scumteam would have every right to justifiably think I was the most stupid Mafia player in human history for creating a ruckus and drawing attention to myself when I could have just been inactive and escaped scrutiny.

Hell, I even had the perfect excuse to be inactive and skirt through D1. I hadn't posted in more than a week, maybe two weeks. And it'd make perfect sense for me to act on the exact strategy that was so successful for Scum last game if I was, in fact, Scum; namely, you're concentrating on the active players and letting inactives and barely-actives skirt under the radar, which is exactly what's happened before, so as Scum assuming I had two brain cells in my head I'd keep my mouth shut, say vaguely noncommittal, noncontroversial things if necessary and skirt by until / unless I was pressured.

You see I don't blame you for being offended by the fact that I basically insinuated y'all were stupid but I do blame you for interpreting the personal slight as 'Scummy behavior.' It isn't. The reality of the matter is the only reason you're voting against me now is that your panties are twisted because I dared insinuate you guys were playing a poor game. That's anti-town logic. You're not voting me off because you legit think I've been assigned a Scum role, you're just voting me because you don't like the way I'm playing the game.

Again: anti-town logic. You'll kill a lot of increasingly frustrated or angry Townies that way as opposed to actually killing off Scum, who will be very friendly and agreeable as they have the benefit of additional information to inform their decisions and they won't need to take risks and say controversial things in order to garner information as to who's Town and who isn't. You shouldn't be worried about the controversial players. You should be worried about those who tell you how great you're doing and how comfortable they are with your play. They're the ones with daggers behind their roses.

I haven't once insinuated that you're scum, or even that I really am all that upset that you called our actions stupid. If you'd actually gotten to the point where you'd be lynched for it I personally would have called my vote off. Same thing with Hawk, actually. The only reason my vote stayed on him was because there's no chance of it actually coming to a head.

But about that last game, who was inactive? Sure, some of them were, but I recall Fenris and one other wasn't playing the inactive game at all. Hell, Fenris fucking skirted suspicion like a champ precisely because he wasn't inactive. He called historical precedent of his guilt over being too nice and the suspicions of the town to his and his groups advantage and we all went for it hook line n' sinker. So don't expect me to just buy into the idea that A mafiate will never ever dare draw attention to themselves. Because the safest place to be for a mafioso isn't the shadows where a stray bullet might hit. Where you want to be is leading the fucking town.

Which, hey! Is exactly what you're trying to do. Whether you want to admit to it or not you've swooped in and declared we're all bloody stupid and you're the only one who can lead us out of the darkness.

[Geminex]

Everybody!
Friendship! Magic! Ponies! You're making fluttershy cry!

Edit:
See?

[Bard The 5th LW]

That crying fluttershy is awfully convincing.

I think a case could be made for Smarty being scum though. If we assume that the roles are assigned at random, then he has just as much a chance of being scum as Snake or myself. If anything, his 'act like scum' thing might be a sort of diversionary tactic.

[Mr.Bookworm]

On a less serious note, I found Smarty's avatar for this game.

[Oron]

Well, I get some time to check on this and find lots of pink text. Huh.

Snake's arguments make sense, and I know he tends to be the "take it (a little too) seriously" type, so he probably isn't just being crazy. However, I don't have any experience playing mafia with Snake yet, so I won't just follow along and unvote Smarty right away until something actually develops, here.

I would like to see some more discussion here other than the two-to-three man conversation that's going with a couple guys making a quip every now and then. I know it's Day 1, but it would be nice to get the ball rolling so we don't just vegetate and miss anything.

So... Snake/anyone else who's active, what should the course of action be? Smarty is being weird, but he always is! Who else could we pick on?

Now, back to partyin', partyin' (yeah!)(not really).

[Ryanderman]

I think I can safely say that Snake's argument against Karesh is strong evidence in favor of Ramary's suspicion that Snake's earlier post was a trap designed to provoke a reaction that could be used to determine scumminess. Whether Snake is Mafia himself, looking to latch onto anything he can use to build a reasonable appearing fake case against a townie, or whether he is Town aligned, truly hoping to catch a mafiate out, I don't know. I'm inclined toward the latter, as if he was mafia, when the person he accused is shown to be town after their death, suspicion would turn back toward him, which would be an undesirable outcome. It would make more sense for him, as a mafiate, to more subtly push the vote toward someone else.

Either way, he's playing at least two levels above me.

[Nikose Tyris]

Eh. I still don't think Fenris is inventive enough to make Snake anyone but Pinkie Pie. Just throwin' that out there. xD