Capcom Ruins Everything

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Eh that can back fire horribily. But that's not worth getting into right now. Least not in this thread.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Uhh, no. I'm going to say a big fat "no" on this one.

The new content is:

* New location to explore. Presumably new missions and whatnot, too. The two articles linked to seem to disagree as to whether it's underground or on an island. Maybe both. Latest trailer shows solely underground areas, implies heavily it takes place in the Everfall Rewatched the trailer, I'm somewhat mistaken. Gonna go with "wait and see" in regards to the new area
* Streamlining fast travel for both the expansion and the original game. Could have been done via patch
* New tier of abilities for every class, and for the pawns too. Every skill gets a new level, meaning damage boost and maybe an extra effect if you're lucky
* 25 new enemies with new attacks and abilities to fight. Pretty rad
* Lots of new equipment. Equipment is a broad term and includes head, chest, leg, gloves, boots, under-chest, shoulder, utility armor slots, plus weapons for every class. Could easily be done via DLC or content patch
* Better menu and interface. Pretty rad
* Japanese voiceovers available. Pretty rad if you're into that
* The original game is included for newcomers which is a fucking insanely awesome deal for them. Pretty rad
* The vets get free ferrystones and rift crystals 'instead', which are actually items being sold right now in the DD section of the store. Considering how easy it is to get money in the endgame of DD, and how easy it is to buy the max amount of rift crystals and more ferrystones than you will ever need, not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be
* All the new features are accessible with original save files. Furthermore, the new content doesn't just apply to the expansion, but to any theoretical replay you attempt of the original game. Can be done via DLC

Added my thoughts in bold underline. As for the other half of your post, and I mean this in the most polite way possible, no fucking shit other companies have done more idiotic things with DLC. This may surprise you, but just because I made a thread hating on Capcom's idiotic policies doesn't mean I approve of every other type of DLC. This also isn't a thread about Capcom being at their worst. This is a thread about Capcom slapping Dragon's Dogma fans right in the face.

I am still excited to see how the DLC fares, and what exactly it holds. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be angry at Capcom for doing stupid shit.

Originally Posted by Azisien

I didn't play the original Dragon's Dogma, so I guess this little bundle is actually great for me. Despite whoever's misgivings at the move, they probably just made a sale thanks to this thread.

Mission accomplished.

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Trailer in question (I also revised one of my points above after rewatching it)

[Marc v4.0]

I don't feel slapped in the face by one iota. I think Capcom, if it's worth the price, has done a damn good turn as far as treating fans of DD. I mean, hate on them for their shitty practices when they happen, but don't hate on them when they actually do something decent just because "Lawl, Capcom."

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Added my thoughts in bold underline.

Just curious here: How is "Could have been done as DLC" a negative when we're talking about a thing that's being done as DLC?

Like it sounds like you'd rather this be like 2-5 $5 dollar DLCs and then a $10-15 DLC on top of it, instead of 1 $20 dollar DLC?

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

I am still excited to see how the DLC fares, and what exactly it holds. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be angry at Capcom for doing stupid shit.

My point is that Capcom really isn't doing anything differently with this DLC than every other gaming company out there.
In fact, the irony here that I've been trying to point out is that Dark Arisen is actually a much *better* DLC bargain than the models employed by a lot of other companies for a lot of other games. If anything this is a positive sign that should be applauded on Capcom's part, they actually seem to be learning.

For $20, you're getting a lot more here than you're getting with $20 applied towards DLC for most other AAA games on the market. That's particularly true for newcomers to DD, who are getting the full game and its expansion for $20 less than a year after its release. Granted, if the expansion sucks, than its an awful DLC regardless of the content that's been promised, but we can't know that right now based on a single trailer or "Capcom's past reputation." It's certainly purporting to offer sufficient quantity; it's the quality of the content that remains in doubt.

So you're upset with Capcom in the one instance when you shouldn't be upset with Capcom. So upset in fact that you've created a thread entitled "Capcom ruins everything" when this extra content sure as heck isn't 'ruining' Dragon's Dogma. You're letting anger for Capcom's prior decisions effect your ability to objectively analyze what's going on here.

TLDR: This is an average-at-worst, above-average-at-best DLC deal for veterans of Dragon's Dogma. It's a phenomenal deal for newcomers to the game. At the very least, it should encourage a lot more purchases, which means a lot more pawn usage and a much more vibrant community. The original post here seems to be off in some parallel universe wherein this is the worst thing that could possibly happen for Dragon's Dogma fans. That's simply not true.

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Just curious here: How is "Could have been done as DLC" a negative when we're talking about a thing that's being done as DLC?

Like it sounds like you'd rather this be like 2-5 $5 dollar DLCs and then a $10-15 DLC on top of it, instead of 1 $20 dollar DLC?

And the complaint would have then been Capcom nickle and diming users for features that could have easily been released as an expansion!

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Just curious here: How is "Could have been done as DLC" a negative when we're talking about a thing that's being done as DLC?

Like it sounds like you'd rather this be like 2-5 $5 dollar DLCs and then a $10-15 DLC on top of it, instead of 1 $20 dollar DLC?

The implication was that those things can be delivered to players via download instead of necessitating re-buying the game.

But since apparently I haven't said this enough in this thread so far:

The additional content should be released as downloadable content alongside the re-release containing both the additional content and the original game. This would let people who already own the game purchase the content that they want at a lower price, since they wouldn't have to buy the game they already own a second time.

And Capcom doesn't want to do that which is why they are Satan. (p.s. that's a hyperbole since apparently I need to point these out)

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

The additional content should be released as downloadable content alongside the re-release containing both the additional content and the original game. This would let people who already own the game purchase the content that they want at a lower price, since they wouldn't have to buy the game they already own a second time.

Didn't I address that earlier? You're discounting the possibility that Capcom sincerely believes the new content alone is worth $20 -- or very close to it -- and in that case they are essentially tossing in the original game in an effort to expand the Dragon's Dogma community.

At worst, it might be, what -- an extra $5 or so for the ferrystones and the rift crystals that you might not want? But expansions that offer a comparatively broad amount of content for a higher price often include content that I personally wouldn't want to pay for if they were offered individually.

And you're not even sure right now whether this expansion might actually be great enough in quality to merit the price Capcom's asking for it. Based on the amount of content they're promising, it certainly isn't impossible for the additional content alone to justify a $20 purchase.

[Bells]

No... Capcom is just reveling on their own Bullshit again and being terrible. This is really all there is to it. From DLC on the disc, to rehashed games with extra sprinkles... it's a bad practice and they are on the cutting edge of it.

[Azisien]

Okay thread in review:

- This seems like a great deal for newcomers.

- It probably should be digital DLC because hello, 2013, and also that's just additional exposure/convenience for current owners. But the fact that it isn't is really just wasteful or shortsighted, if anything, not really all that bad.