Gay People And Their Right To Militarize

[Premmy]

You're confusing trying to save the world with having a discussion on a forum, and that's sad.

[Funka Genocide]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

You're confusing trying to save the world with having a discussion on a forum, and that's sad.

Moreso, I'd just prefer a little accountability for the words people choose to express their ideals.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Moreso, I'd just prefer a little accountability for the words people choose to express their ideals.

Are you an activist of some kind?

[Funka Genocide]

well this thread got all kinds of derailed, so it's probably best if someone start a more pertinent thread on the subject.

Personally, I fucking hate the military. Hated every god damn day I spent in it, every shit eating grin I ever saw on the faces of the god damn monkeys that drank the fucking cool-aid and every self righteous tirade I ever had to endure because someone had shiny shit on their shoulder.

but ultimately, as the world exists now, it is a necessary implement. The poor sops that spend their days getting shot at are necessary sacrifices to the status quo.

[Loyal]

And all those poor people who needed the job in the army? They can have some of the trillions of dollars they just saved.

Wow that is so not how economy works.

In summary: army=bad, people int he army= not bad (necessarily).

Naive horseshit. Even if you're a peaceloving people with no need for anything that anybody else has, someone else is going to want something you have, and someone is going to be willing to take it by force. The army is there to protect a country's interests, and yes, sometimes that involves literally protecting oneself from external threats.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

It's more because nationalism serves the interests of the rich by both fragmenting the world's poor and turning them against one another through such things as "Oh noes! Those dirty Arabs want to steal all our resources! We better stop them!"
War is a great way to distract people from real issues.

If someone wants to steal your resources, it is much cheaper to do it with economics. Military invasion doesn't make sense anymore. There are plenty of countries around the world with small/basically non-existant armies and plenty of resources- nobody invades them because that doesn't make sense. I'll use my home country as an example- New Zealand couldn't defend itself from an invasion- our army is simply tiny. We have plenty of resources that people could "steal". But nobody invades us. Why? Because they can acquire these resources much more cheaply through business.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I'll use my home country as an example- New Zealand couldn't defend itself from an invasion- our army is simply tiny. We have plenty of resources that people could "steal". But nobody invades us. Why? Because they can acquire these resources much more cheaply through business.

Which is okay, in the sense that it's a legitimate business transaction. But I have to assume there's something NOT okay about it, hidden in the shadows. Something you'll hopefully expand upon.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I mean I'm critical of America but I have to say- this was pretty badass. Psychotic and deranged but crazy badass.

Certainly. As an American, though, I have to ask. Why on earth was that necessary? Granted, there's a great deal of misinformation going around, but from what I can tell, both bin Laden AND Saddam were either trained or supplied by the American government sometime in the early to mid eighties. Why? Because we were backing them when they were making their own bids for power? Why was THAT necessary, I wonder?

Yeah, it's great that we dropped a fuckton of lead on some innocent civilians in an effort to nab some real bad guys - who are bad from a moral perspective, but not from a cultural one - all I'm asking is, why the hell did all this shit happen in the first place?

[Loyal]

Yo do you live in the 17th century? This is not how the world/the economy works anymore.

I guess we're just going to have to disagree on this one.

The vast amount of productive capacity wasted on the military could be directed to improving the standard of life for everyone. Instead it ends up being wasted (through ammunition and fuel and all the vast expendables) as well as being concentrated in the hands of people like arms manufacturers. So you effectively are giving them money, just out of the pocket of the big companies who finance/profit of the army.

Ideally, sure. I'm not so sure we could find jobs for all those people who suddenly aren't in the military, though.

[Funka Genocide]

Actually us ex military folk usually have a pretty easy time finding decent jobs, unless we're batshit crazy and like, carve the names of our dead platoon members into our forearms with a 12 inch blade.

dudes like that often times find it difficult to find employment.

The total percentage of the American population that is active duty in the armed forces isn't very high either.

also, at Argent Lord: the assumption that morality is objective and the entirity of "western philosophy" are cultural constructs.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Actually us ex military folk usually have a pretty easy time finding decent jobs, unless we're batshit crazy and like, carve the names of our dead platoon members into our forearms with a 12 inch blade.

dudes like that often times find it difficult to find employment.

The total percentage of the American population that is active duty in the armed forces isn't very high either.

Yeah. Two million plus versus THREE HUNDRED MILLION PLUS.

The Chinese have one seventh the world's total population (rounding up of course) and they have just double our active duty numbers.