Gay People And Their Right To Militarize

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

I'm sad when he's right too.

But really, it's not really all that great. Nobody fucks with America directly because, I mean well shit... if some dudes from your country fly a plane into a couple of our buildings we DESTROY YOUR ENTIRE CIVILIZATION.

I mean I'm critical of America but I have to say- this was pretty badass. Psychotic and deranged but crazy badass.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

well all those ism's might not necessarily equate to hatred, but they do most definitely equate to bigotry. It's kind of the base definition.

You can obviously be a racist that doesn't hate other races, only sees them as inferior. You could be a sexist that doesn't hate the opposite gender, etc. etc.

I think there's a certain amount of hatred in seeing a group of people as inferior. You'd LOVE to hear what some of my grandparents' friends had to say about Obama getting elected.

My grandparents, of course, voted for him.

The point being that if you see a group as inferior, you MIGHT be able to just pity them, but that doesn't hold up well when they start showing just how not-inferior they are, which can result in fear, hatred, or both.



Edit:

Originally Posted by The Argent Lord

I know this was a ways back, but I just wanna point out that, according to all of western philosophy, this is wrong. Ethics is founded on the very principle that there is an objective standard of morality that isn't culturally based.

Not really, actually. Ethics is founded on the common factors to the society or societies in participation. Like, if a guy screws something up in the business world in America, he might get canned, but in China, he might get executed. We'd consider that kind of treatment unethical, but ethics are NOT culturally universal.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I'll use my home country as an example- New Zealand couldn't defend itself from an invasion- our army is simply tiny. We have plenty of resources that people could "steal". But nobody invades us. Why? Because they can acquire these resources much more cheaply through business.

Which is okay, in the sense that it's a legitimate business transaction. But I have to assume there's something NOT okay about it, hidden in the shadows. Something you'll hopefully expand upon.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I mean I'm critical of America but I have to say- this was pretty badass. Psychotic and deranged but crazy badass.

Certainly. As an American, though, I have to ask. Why on earth was that necessary? Granted, there's a great deal of misinformation going around, but from what I can tell, both bin Laden AND Saddam were either trained or supplied by the American government sometime in the early to mid eighties. Why? Because we were backing them when they were making their own bids for power? Why was THAT necessary, I wonder?

Yeah, it's great that we dropped a fuckton of lead on some innocent civilians in an effort to nab some real bad guys - who are bad from a moral perspective, but not from a cultural one - all I'm asking is, why the hell did all this shit happen in the first place?

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

I think you need to look up the terms. If nothing else, they're at the very least closely related.

No, not really. Closely related? only in that they're frequently connected. If everyone looked alike, bigots would be bigoted to someone

Like, if someone is openly racist, I think it's safe to call them bigoted. You don't go spewing bile about "those damn niggers" if you, y'know, like black people.

Yeah, if someone is openly bigoted, it's safe to call them bigoted. Bigotry is neither the most important aspect of racism, nor even a central aspect. And constantly equating the two muddies the issue.

To break it down,

combined with race means a doctrine or system of race, which is a nice way of saying that you either believe in or actually ENFORCE racial boundaries.

It's a direct way of saying you have policies and systemic approaches to race, a fictional construct in and of itself.

It has nothing to do with how that is expressed or what fuels it. The common thread of "Racism=Dick" is ignorant to all the very nice people who do and say racist things that don't seem hatefilled in the least bit.

It also is used by dicks who are racist, but not hate-fueld, to diffuse accusations of racism with "I don't hate anybody" and other foolishness.

Homophobia on its own means, in the literal sense, as improperly-expressed as it is, an irrational fear of homosexuals. A better word might be orientationism. Homosexuals are feared, hated, and discriminated against. Where's the love and acceptance in that?

Homosexuals are also treated all kinds of weird by people that generally like them, people who are "okay" with it, but still act weird, and all kinds of other things that have nothing to do with interpersonal relationships or hatred.

Seriously, we have the words for a reason, and we shouldn't be trying to water down the meanings. Everyone knows what they mean and what they mean isn't exactly going out and buying them flowers.

Everybody does'nt know exactly what they mean, as evidenced by people who think Neo-nazis and such are at all important to the issue of racism.

If you ask them, they will eagerly and angrily tell you how they hate pretty much anything. Their racism is not an issue of race so much as it's an issue of being crazy as all hell and expressing that through racism.

There are plenty of people who have no knowledge, concern, or issues concerning racism who still do and say racist things for a wide variety of reasons.

[Loyal]

Yo do you live in the 17th century? This is not how the world/the economy works anymore.

I guess we're just going to have to disagree on this one.

The vast amount of productive capacity wasted on the military could be directed to improving the standard of life for everyone. Instead it ends up being wasted (through ammunition and fuel and all the vast expendables) as well as being concentrated in the hands of people like arms manufacturers. So you effectively are giving them money, just out of the pocket of the big companies who finance/profit of the army.

Ideally, sure. I'm not so sure we could find jobs for all those people who suddenly aren't in the military, though.

[Seil]

Just want to correct something, here:

Edit: Either that, or leaving it to robots. We're headed in that direction, anyway.

Gay Robots.

Carry on.

[Funka Genocide]

Actually us ex military folk usually have a pretty easy time finding decent jobs, unless we're batshit crazy and like, carve the names of our dead platoon members into our forearms with a 12 inch blade.

dudes like that often times find it difficult to find employment.

The total percentage of the American population that is active duty in the armed forces isn't very high either.

also, at Argent Lord: the assumption that morality is objective and the entirity of "western philosophy" are cultural constructs.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Loyal

Ideally, sure. I'm not so sure we could find jobs for all those people who suddenly aren't in the military, though.

With half of that money we could fund things the country really needs, Like greener practices in mass transit(Also, better mass transit) new land development, and all the other things the governments should be doing instead of bombing muthafuckas.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Actually us ex military folk usually have a pretty easy time finding decent jobs, unless we're batshit crazy and like, carve the names of our dead platoon members into our forearms with a 12 inch blade.

dudes like that often times find it difficult to find employment.

The total percentage of the American population that is active duty in the armed forces isn't very high either.

Yeah. Two million plus versus THREE HUNDRED MILLION PLUS.

The Chinese have one seventh the world's total population (rounding up of course) and they have just double our active duty numbers.

[Funka Genocide]

I don't really understand what you're getting at 13. The chinese have what, 3 or 4 times our population?

I mean the difference in percentage could be for any number of reasons, I'm not talking comparatively, I'm talking in general.

If everyone in the US armed services suddenly lost their jobs, the impact would be less than our recent depression, in 2008 alone over 2.6 million American's lost their jobs, that accounts for everyone in the armed forces.