Concerning Mining, Crafting, Serving, Fifthfiending

[Fifthfiend]

Server-side derpage, IDK what's up, hosting company contacted.

[Doc ock rokc]

How do you know it's tomarrow? I'm looking around for some kind of date, and not finding anything...

I was following along with the song. It's not srs. it's just a joke

[Flarecobra]

Ah. Was a bit misleading. :P

[Fifthfiend]

Our Datacenter is currently having a major power issue, this is affecting all servers.

Please keep an eye on this page for updates:
http://www.minecraftserverhost.net/secure/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=102

We will be updating that page as soon as we have additional information about the outage.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. Datacenter related issues are rare but do occur. We have been assured by our tech at the Datacentre they are working to resolve this issue ASAP.

.

[CABAL49]

On another note, I have Minecraft now and I am most interesting in this "fifthfiending" things you kids do these days. Prepare to meet Zehnoda.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Server's up

[Fifthfiend]

...So it is!

EDIT: incidentally I've been meaning to encourage people to PUT TORCHES ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE, just absolutely cover everything in goddamn torches, fuuuuuuuuuck creepers spawning in the town.

I was touring around and found bunches of places inside the various fences that were dark enough for monsters to spawn, I patched what I saw but I'm sure there's more still.

Use the aboveground and underground tree farms which should both be providing substantial amounts of readily available lumber for sticks and charcoal, get those dark spots lit up.

[Flarecobra]

I dropped off a bunch of iron picks and some swords into the community chests, and iron axes by the tree farm.

And if I get more diamonds, I might start taking orders for diamond swords or picks. They'll have some restrictions though. Number one: You MUST be online to accept delivery. Two: they will be hand-delivered. I won't drop them off in a chest. Three: One pick/sword per person. Four: When I have enough, I'll say when I'm making them ingame.

Thank you for your consideration,
Flare the delivery lamia.

[Aldurin]

Speaking of which, we need skylights above the surface tree-farm or it needs to burn. Mobs always spawn on trees in SMP, no matter what.

[Fifthfiend]

Speaking of which, we need skylights above the surface tree-farm or it needs to burn. Mobs always spawn on trees in SMP, no matter what.

I've tried to look this up and found uneven evidence in this regard.

[Aldurin]

I've seen creepers on trees, I'd light them up regardless.

[Fifthfiend]

Basically as far as I understand it, in SSP mobs would spawn on trees / you could place torches on trees while running your graphics in fast mode because in fast mode leaves are treated as a solid rather than a clear block, and both effects always happened on SMP because the server just automatically treated everything on its end as if it were running in fast mode.

The fact that you can no longer put torches on trees, i'm ASSUMING, means that the solid/see-through glitch has generally been removed so they won't spawn on trees anymore.

I haven't seen it happen by now and I'd assume that if mobs WERE spawning on trees we'd have the motherfuckers dropping out of Shy's treefarm like non-stop. I couuuuuuld be wrong but I'd tentatively say we probably don't have to worry about it until someone can confirm that mobs are still spawning off of treetops.

[Doc ock rokc]

Oh I found a place in town i wanted to build and drew a dotted line in the general area between to signs. If anyone has a problem with me being there i can move elsewhere.

[Aerozord]

there is a stream of lava near the cliff my house is on, anyone got a reason for this?

[Fifthfiend]

there is a stream of lava near the cliff my house is on, anyone got a reason for this?

Is it new or did you just not notice it before now, or what?

REGARDING TNT:

I will probably at some point turn TNT back on for non-creative worlds.

In fact I thought I already had but one plugin may be conflicting with another or something.

There's some other weird shit like that I need to work out, like why health regen isn't working like I set it and suchlike.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Tried to get a slightly more elevated view of the town from near the southgate;

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii87/Hawk_of_Battle/Town.jpg

I wanted to get the huge mountain behind my place in the shot but it wouldn't render. Would've looked cool though.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm going to need a 14Lx14Wx20H plot of land for a large constrution plan I have. Can someone help me find a location that will suit it inside the town?

[CitizenZ]

Doc Oc said I should build more watchtowers around the town, but there are not many places to build. So I was thinking of

http://sadpanda.us/images/606840-FQKLYOB.png

Who's stuff is this? And can I build there?

And is there anywhere else you think would be a good spot?

[Fifthfiend]

I'm gonna put a tower over my house in that mountain.

edit: ones that aren't ugly like the one I was previously doin' (god that tower was ugly)

edit: OH I know exactly where you should put one, i'll show you in-game.

Like if you're above my house, you walk along the mountain until it turns left, then walk that way all the way to the end, so you're overlooking the fence/door of the town, there should totally be some sort of strategic outpost or w/ev there.

[CitizenZ]

edit: OH I know exactly where you should put one, i'll show you in-game.

Like if you're above my house, you walk along the mountain until it turns left, then walk that way all the way to the end, so you're overlooking the fence/door of the town, there should totally be some sort of strategic outpost or w/ev there.

Ok. So if your directions lead me wrong does that give me free leave to build just about anywhere? lol jk, jk

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Has anyone got like, 2 slimes I could have? Or 2 working slime pistons? I know they're rare as hell and I did spend time looking for them but it could take forever and I literally only need 2 right now. I can offer various things in trade if need be, including diamonds.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Fifth, I think I dun goofed. I tried to stop a storm on the town by typing /stop storm and I think I shut down the server.

[Doc ock rokc]

I have some slimes In fact I found a Slime hotspot...Once lord helpme if i can find it again I will not only build a slime spawn area but a base and storage there as well.

[BitVyper]

Fifth, I think I dun goofed. I tried to stop a storm on the town by typing /stop storm and I think I shut down the server.

Haha, it's okay, I'll fix it. /Stop stops the server.

What you were looking for is /weather sunny -1

You gotta have the -1 there, otherwise it puts the weather on a timed cycle that's all kinds of stupid.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Thanks Bit

[Aldurin]

Inflicting time control is dangerous, be careful.

[BitVyper]

HEY FIFTH

The console won't let me out after I start the server for some reason.

[Aldurin]

And you brought down the server in your flailing panic.

[BitVyper]

Server is down. No idea what happened, but I can't seem to restore it. Fifth, AIM me when you see this.

[BitVyper]

Okay, nevermind. We seem to be back.

[Flarecobra]

So the server just derped?

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I have some slimes In fact I found a Slime hotspot...Once lord helpme if i can find it again I will not only build a slime spawn area but a base and storage there as well.

Sounds good. I've been setting up expansive tunnels right down near bedrock and branching out in all directions but no slimes yet. Duno if that's just because I haven't hit any spawn areas or becuase they're just not spawning there yet though.

[CitizenZ]

Introducing the newest defensive structure installment company for the average citizen of the Terranian Empire... The Citizen Defense Company!

Now installing small emplacements from which you can fire your weapons at the baddies without fear of being hurt*! These can be done custom or standard.

Ask in-game for prices.



*creepers may still damage you slightly

[CitizenZ]

Wont connect to server because it said it was redirected to many times, then it had 20 in parenthesis.

EDIT: nevermind

[Doc ock rokc]

OK so it's been confermed we have found a slime hotspot now we just need a few hands or possibly a mod to help us out and make it a Spawner.

[Aldurin]

Is the server down? It gets me as far as "logging in . . ." before it fails to connect.

EDIT: Nevermind

EDIT2: So apparently I sometimes get a client-side error when logging into the server when it's up. It's "Internal Client error: java.net.ConnectionException: Connection refuse: connect"

EDIT3: Now I'm getting a "Connection Lost. End of Stream.

[EVILNess]

Is the server down? It gets me as far as "logging in . . ." before it fails to connect.

EDIT: Nevermind

EDIT2: So apparently I sometimes get a client-side error when logging into the server when it's up. It's "Internal Client error: java.net.ConnectionException: Connection refuse: connect"

EDIT3: Now I'm getting a "Connection Lost. End of Stream.

Make sure you java is up to date, also try switching from in browser to client, or vice versatile if you use the client.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Ladies and gentlemen... we now have giant slimes. Follow the redstone torches past the communal tree farm to locate the newly dug 30x30 metre room where these monsters will appear. We have specifically built this room to generate and hold all slime variants, though after and inital harvesting it is required that people remove to the surface and wait some time before they will respawn.

Bitvyper has also been kind enough to build an easier access ladder that leads straight down (the entrance is just outide of town, head left out of the south gate or straight on from the spawn point) however I would reccommend against this. In order to break a giant slime down into slimes that will drop actual slime requires you to use your bare hands and not swords, and the giant slime is powerful enough to kill despite the health regen.

Fortunately there is an overhang near the side by the original entrace that will stop the giant from getting you whilst still allowing you to attack him. This is the easiest way of harvesting slimes now.

I have just harvested our first crop for a nicely lucrative 20 slimes, so a single giant is pretty good.

[Thadius]

Y'know, for a secure town, you lot didn't want to finish off the fence.

Fortunately, ThadCo recently expanded into the fencing business. Safety is now safe from most attacks. Can't guarantee against spiders or spots without torches. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE.

I am constructing a floating garden for many needs, and someday in the future I will finish off my tower.

[BitVyper]

I'll throw a ledge onto the ladder.

Done. Feel free to modify.

[CitizenZ]

For reference.
http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:StandardLogicGates.png

[Doc ock rokc]

Guh those are so old now. Pistons dramatically changed how you can make logic gates almost all of these (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/413949-grizdales-piston-logic-compendium/) are made with out stickies (thus cheap) and fit in smaller areas then their predecessors.

[Marc v4.0]

Wasting stickies on logic gates certainly isn't cheaper then redstone dust and repeaters.

[Doc ock rokc]

sigh there is plently not on the first post where it is normals which are cheaper in some cases

[Fifthfiend]

Wasting stickies on logic gates certainly isn't cheaper then redstone dust and repeaters.

The wording of this post indicates that you agree with Doc but the tone seems to indicate that you don't, so uh, which is it?

[Fifthfiend]

So I banned Thad for a day :\

Posting the server log so there's like a record of what took place and such.


2011-08-13 04:43:38 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> Did[0m
2011-08-13 04:43:46 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> Did you destroy my wheat fifth?[0m
2011-08-13 04:46:57 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> what wheat[0m
2011-08-13 04:47:09 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> also, why would i destroy it[0m
2011-08-13 04:47:12 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> I was growing some on my island[0m
2011-08-13 04:47:19 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> And now it isn't there anymore[0m
2011-08-13 04:47:25 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> So it was either you or bit[0m
2011-08-13 04:47:56 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> i can pretty much promise you if either of us was going to destroy anything it wouldn't be wheat[0m
2011-08-13 04:48:05 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> Look[0m
2011-08-13 04:48:14 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> Someone was an asshole and walked over the wheat too much[0m
2011-08-13 04:48:19 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> So someone better own up[0m
2011-08-13 04:49:39 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> what wheat?[0m
2011-08-13 04:50:03 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> walking over wheat destroys it?[0m
2011-08-13 04:50:07 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> yeah[0m
2011-08-13 04:50:09 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> sometimes[0m
2011-08-13 04:50:15 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> oh huh[0m
2011-08-13 04:50:19 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> yeah then it could have been me[0m
2011-08-13 04:51:24 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> but Jesus, Thad. Hold the inquisition back for a minute[0m
2011-08-13 04:51:47 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> how much wheat did you lose?[0m
2011-08-13 04:51:54 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> man it does work like that, that is a ridiculous way for wheat to behave[0m
2011-08-13 04:51:57 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> Just the one that I had. The only one that I had[0m
2011-08-13 04:52:03 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> wow seriously[0m
2011-08-13 04:52:08 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> so you just called me an asshole over one wheat[0m
2011-08-13 04:52:20 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> there's a farm of it right under you[0m
2011-08-13 04:52:29 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> Pfft if I was really mad I would have set your house on fire[0m
2011-08-13 04:52:36 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> I KNOW there's a farm of it[0m
2011-08-13 04:52:44 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> I use it for target practice[0m
2011-08-13 04:52:52 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> I didn't say you were mad, I said you called me an asshole[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:09 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> I just think it's incredibly bad manners to do that and NOT own up.[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:12 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> man[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:24 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> it's one block of wheat. That's easy to walk over and never even notice[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:29 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> yeah, you're[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:38 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> Dude, he owned up, and I'm fine with it now[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:45 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> yeah htat's.... actually a ridiculous overreaction to an accident i didn't realize i'd done[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:47 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> I don't care if YOU'RE fine[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:48 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> I'll just go get another one[0m
2011-08-13 04:53:50 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> you were being an ass[0m
2011-08-13 04:54:00 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> you didn't even wait for it to get sorted before you started pulling that[0m
2011-08-13 04:54:01 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> like[0m
2011-08-13 04:54:06 [INFO] [Terra]<BitVyper> Fifth was at the "what happened" stage[0m
2011-08-13 04:54:32 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<fifthfiend> actually why am i arguing this don't call people assholes on myserver see you in a day[0m
2011-08-13 04:54:32 [INFO] [INFERNUM]<Thadius0> Bit do not make me slap you. Mod or not, I will fucking do it.[0m
2011-08-13 04:54:35 [INFO] KICKED: fifthfiend (70.36.225.50) kicked player 'Thadius0': Banned!
2011-08-13 04:54:35 [INFO] BAN: fifthfiend (70.36.225.50) banned name 'Thadius0': Banned!

edit: IDK why the server log dumps "[0m" everywhere.

edit: like I guess I'm not saying don't EVER call me an asshole because many of you do that quite frequently! often for good reason and I manage to go on living but uh, I guess don't do it over something extremely minor that I didn't realize I did and then after it turns out I didn't realize what I did not be like "oh btw sorry for callin you an asshole" and then tell Bit you're gonna slap him.

[Flarecobra]

Especally since animals eat wheat stalks...

[BitVyper]

Guys please try to remember that most of us aren't out to grief each other. If you think someone messed with something of yours, it's entirely likely they don't even know they did it, so just hold off on the inquisition until we figure out what actually happened. Especially when it's something on the level of a few blocks. We've had this sort of thing happen before where people thought griefing was going on, and it turned out to be a complete accident on someone's part.

Note that this isn't refering to like, if you log on to find someone has blown a bunch of holes in your castle. You totally have a right to be a bit peeved then.

[Flarecobra]

You know, it's been a while since there was a world render done, no? What do you all think?

[Marc v4.0]

I think I want to know how to get back to Skaia so i can finish my project

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

This is fucking amazing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ppadeb71c&feature=sh_e_se&list=SL). Fifth, we need a portal gun mod. You know this to be true.

[CitizenZ]

The way to zeal is through a creative word.

[BitVyper]

I think I want to know how to get back to Skaia so i can finish my project

Go to Elysium. Look out to sea where Black Mage, Fighter, and Thief are. The path to Zeal can be seen once you're behind them.

[CitizenZ]

I think I want to know how to get back to Skaia so i can finish my project

Although the only way back is to beg an op to tp you back.

[BitVyper]

Nah, take the portal to Axiom, and then there's a portal from Axiom to Terra.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm finally home in Axiom. <3

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Stand back! I have begun doing SCIENCE! I take no responsibility for what happens next.

[CitizenZ]

Can you whitelist Jsdingman? he is one of bolt's friends.

[Melfice]

This is fucking amazing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ppadeb71c&feature=sh_e_se&list=SL). Fifth, we need a portal gun mod. You know this to be true.

Again I'm going to be a party-pooper and state that, as far as I'm aware, there is NO Bukkit compatible (or even a SMP compatible) Portal Gun mod.

I may be wrong, since it's been a while since I kept up with Minecraft mod development, but yeah.

Sorry, Hawk.

EDIT: A quick check actually tells me I AM wrong. It's not Portal GUN, however. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHxduNH5kVY)

[Fifthfiend]

Gonna be doing some mod testing, server may be down or goin' through restarts for the next hour-ish

[Grimpond]

So if anyone is available atm to baby me through the steps to get the damn texture packs to work, I would be greatly appreciative

Nevermind I am a giant idiot for not realizing what I did wrong.

Bah. I'm trying to get this "Survival Island" working, but I am not being spawned on an island, and forum lurking has yet to reveal if you have to find it on your own or what.

[CitizenZ]

You should spawn on an island.

[Fifthfiend]

SO SOME STUFF GOT CHANGED AROUND.

1. REGEN ON INFERNUM

Regen is now confirmed to have been REDUCED.

Hearts will now regenerate at the rate of ONE HALF every FIFTEEN SECONDS.

This obv means that while EVENTUALLY your health will refill itself, you will probably NOT survive major mob attacks or lava falls without precautionary measures!!

2. WOLVES

A. Tamed wolves are now invincible.

B. You can call all wolves you have on a given world to yourself with /call-wolves

C. You are now limited to TWO WOLVES per world.

D. If you already had more than two wolves on a given world you keep those wolves but you can't tame more.

E. Right-clicking someone else's wolf with a bone will tell you whose wolf it is.

F. LEFT-clicking YOUR OWN wolf will RELEASE IT, turning it back into an untamed wild wolf.

G. If you release your wolf accidentally, you can retame it using the usual give-bones taming method.

H. FOR OPS - IMPORTANT: According to the plugin I installed Ops are exempt from the number-of-wolves limit. HOWEVER: I am requiring you guys (and me) to abide by that limit ANYWAY cause otherwise it would be super unfair to everyone else.

As for regular users this doesn't apply to any previous wolves you've tamed so I mean don't release those or nothin' but don't tame any new wolves if you have more than two on a given world.

[Fifthfiend]

SO, i got pretty far into a town hall on the main square. I figure if we're gonna have one it should be at the town center.

Although come to look at it, if we turned the entry stairs (coming from the Safety sign) 90 degrees we could put the TH at the sort of front of the square, across from the forest, that might be more suited to a less oversized design.

EDIT so yeah i pretty much razed my first attempt and reconstructed it / redirected the stairs. The stairs kinda suck atm but the town hall itself I feel is looking pretty boss. Also I think it has a good location for someone to do a piston-door into an expansion into the mountainside there. I guess Marc he was the one who came up with the 2x3 door which would probably look best given the half-step flooring I did.

I blocked off a staircase to someone's tower - I think Nikose's? I am going off the assumption that nobody was gonna be super-attached to those stairs being in that specific position. I put in a temporary step around through the hillside next to it but I'll be happy to help if you wanna do a better placed pathway to up there.

The open holes in the sides of the thing are meant to be glass, if someone wants to help out and get some in there that would be awesome.

I haxxed a few glowstone blocks into the roof but I'm telling myself that's fair cause there's no nether accessible right now (which is entirely my fault but well there you go). I have a ton of stone slabs left over so if you need any for another project lemme know.

[Aerozord]

ok I just did some major modding so I need to confirm, when I tried to connect I got, nothing, blank screen, no messages, no errors, just nothing

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Seeing as we now have a town hall I thought it would be a good idea to also build a library. The only problem is I duno where it'd fit now, but I'm sure we can figure that out.

Good idea?

[Flarecobra]

Put it in a tree.

Or have it underground.

[Aldurin]

Oh yeah Hawk, will you be leaving your binary counter off until you get it moved at some point? I would rather avoid Infernum until I know that remains out of the render area or permanently off, since the last time I was around something that put a lot of strain on minecraft (it involved boats and Doc) my main comp fried. Since the laptop I'm using is needed for college I would really prefer to avoid such situations again.

Also I'm going to warn Bolt to stay out of town since I've seen his computer and it is definitely going to have problems with it.

[Flarecobra]

I won't be making deliveries to the town until that thing stops due to lag issues.

[Thadius]

The official ThadCo Guard Tower is NOT an official ThadCo DOG Tower. To whoever left their dog within the tower: Please come get it before it becomes part of an official ThadCo 'experiment' as to how much lava a dog can withstand before it dies.

Should the experiment be a failure, a backup experiment involving encasing the dog within obsidian, has already been devised.

[Arhra]

Hawk, I have disabled your counters for the sake of humanity!

Avoid such things in the future please.

Next time we're both on we can talk about counters that switch themselves off after a certain number of counts if that would be useful for whatever you have in mind.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

My stuff has been off for the last 10 hours anyway. I built it so it could be switched off. Unless somebody was in there and turned it back on again. Apologies for any trouble it was causing, I wasn't noticing any lag myself (and my computer is pretty crap too, seeing as I DO get lag just walking around town for a bit, or after playing for an hour or so).

So much for my lab then.

[Nikose Tyris]

I have a massive build project underway, and the supplies are a pain in the ass for me to obtain right now. Soooooo


Nikose's super amazing trade plan~

I have 9x64 stacks of redstone dust. Shit I don't actually need.

What I need are LOGS. I will trade 1 log for 1 dust; Logs are easy enough to obtain, and far less time consuming then hunting redstone, but I hate redstone circuits and wiring.

Fetch for me logs, and I will trade with you!

*offer valid until I am out of redstone.

[Flarecobra]

I'll give you logs for free. How many do ya need?

[Nikose Tyris]

INFINITE LOGS.

Or like, several stacks at least. :/ I've got at least 9-10 layers to go, which use 64 blocks a layer.

Logs split into 4, so assuming (10x64)/4=160 logs. As about the minimum.

[CitizenZ]

Hawk, I have disabled your counters for the sake of humanity!

Avoid such things in the future please.

Next time we're both on we can talk about counters that switch themselves off after a certain number of counts if that would be useful for whatever you have in mind.

That might explain the lag I suddenly had for a day or two.

[Flarecobra]

INFINITE LOGS.

Or like, several stacks at least. :/ I've got at least 9-10 layers to go, which use 64 blocks a layer.

Logs split into 4, so assuming (10x64)/4=160 logs. As about the minimum.

I think I got enough. Message me to let me know when to get it.

[Kerensky287]

I fell into a hole in the Skyworld tower on Ely and now my game crashes every time I try to join the server.

EDIT: Nevermind, re-downloaded the game and now it works.

[Fifthfiend]

Hmmm well that... shouldn't be the case.

[Flarecobra]

Screw it, I'll drop them off at your place Nikose.

EDIT: And just so you know, Spiders can get into the town near your place.

[Aerozord]

Screw it, I'll drop them off at your place Nikose.

EDIT: And just so you know, Spiders can get into the town near your place.

we should probably line just outside the fence with cactus. if I recall spiders can climb fences

[Thadius]

Huh. Our slime gladiatorial pit has a back door to my tower basement.

Odd, but not complaining. After all, it's easy slimes for me!

[Flarecobra]

we should probably line just outside the fence with cactus. if I recall spiders can climb fences

They can climb over cacti too.

[Nikose Tyris]

...Hm. I'll begin harvesting sand to make sandstone, in order to begin building a defensive wall around the city.

...this will take a long, long time.

[Also, almost finished the outer design of my building; the roof needs polishing, but I have the materials now.]

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Well we could start by simply lighting the outside of the fence up more, to stop stuff spawning quite as close. The area around twin falls is particularly dark and is the main source of mob spawns right now.

[Nikose Tyris]

Actually I kind of want to build a 5-thick wall of sandstone around the city, leaving us ramparts and a 3-wide walkway.

Maybe just sandstone on the outside, and cobble interior.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yeah I just meant in the meantime more light is really needed over there, because there's way too much crap spawning by it.

[Flarecobra]

And we got all that cobblestone just sitting there...

[Viridis]

They can climb sandstone, too, Nikose. From what I understand, their inability to is just a rumor. Just build a wall with an overhang. They can't climb on the underside of blocks.

[Fifthfiend]

Well we could start by simply lighting the outside of the fence up more, to stop stuff spawning quite as close. The area around twin falls is particularly dark and is the main source of mob spawns right now.

Yeah this is a good idea.

Seeing as we now have a town hall I thought it would be a good idea to also build a library. The only problem is I duno where it'd fit now, but I'm sure we can figure that out.

Good idea?

You could build it sort of off of the town square where I was originally gonna do the town hall. I'd have to move the portals though probably. Hmmmmm.

[Flarecobra]

They can climb sandstone, too, Nikose. From what I understand, their inability to is just a rumor. Just build a wall with an overhang. They can't climb on the underside of blocks.

Correct. They can climb ANY vertical surface, but not the undersides.

[Aerozord]

ok crazy idea, but hear me out, we build a moat, then make an awesome retractable bridge

[Aldurin]

ok crazy idea, but hear me out, we build a lava moat, then make an awesome retractable bridge

;)

[Nikose Tyris]

Nah, I can verify that they can't climb sandstone- a single line of it isn't enough since they can hop mid climb. Needs to be 2 or 3 thick.

I don't care how we do it, but since monsters can swim I don't see a moat being too useful.

Edit: That would take a LOT of lava.

[Arhra]

Hey guys, I've started setting up torches and walls in the snowy area to give some room for future expansion in the town.

That section of town will have snow instead of rain, which will be nice.

The other good news is there's sheer drops on most of the mountains surrounding that valley, so we won't need to fence it all. We can build overhanging viewing platforms on the cliffsides if we want to make sure the place is completely spider-proof, but it's high enough they shouldn't wander up there often.

[CitizenZ]

Nah, I can verify that they can't climb sandstone- a single line of it isn't enough since they can hop mid climb. Needs to be 2 or 3 thick.

Well, either way, point me toward a place with plenty of sand nobody will mind if I harvest and ill bring you back chest-loads.

[Aerozord]

dont we have a desert world, think it was necro. or is it I just never traveled far enough from it to find other biomes?

[Flarecobra]

It's not all desert. And I've seen spiders climbing up sandstone.

Oh, and Meet more Meat. (http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/182-18-updates-meet-more-meat/)

It's chicken, raw chicken, and steak according to the Minecraft wiki. And I note it's stackable...

[Fifthfiend]

When I get the chance I'll test out some of these sandstone/spider related claims to see if we can get a definitive answer

[Fifthfiend]

Here's some fun reading for those of you interested (http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/dev-spout-1-0-2-unleashing-the-flow-of-endless-possibilities-1060.29259/) in exciting upcoming Minecraft technologies.

Not anything I'd mess around with until it's matured a bit and we know what these guys can deliver on but if half of their promises are true this is pretty exciting shit.

EDIT: too, also (http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/wgen-phoenixterrainmod-v0-6-7-world-generator-1000.28520/)

[Flarecobra]

I tested the sandstone and spiders thing, and they DO climb sandstone.

[Doc ock rokc]

hawk i borrowed your minecart to try out a wireless transmiter thing. Its not working right but i still have your minecart if you want it.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

What the minecart in the lab? Yeah I kinda broke the track somewhat whilst trying to make improvements, it still needs fixing at some point.

Edit; Ok I see you built a new track anyway. No problem, just stick the cart back on the other track whenever dude.

[Nikose Tyris]

Cobble Walls with Overhang + Lavafalls into lavamoat.

[Aerozord]

not that I have an issue with lava moat, in fact it was originally what I had in mind, but if we use a water trap then we can do monster farming

[Fifthfiend]

I just wanna say in general guys uh, tailor your lava-construction plans with an eye towards the fact that I do not promise or guarantee that fire protection will always and forever be enabled to keep ya'll from burning down the whole entire world around you.

not that I have an issue with lava moat, in fact it was originally what I had in mind, but if we use a water trap then we can do monster farming

A citywide monstermasher would kinda own, yeah.

Alternately I guess you could do a massive ring lavablade.

[Aerozord]

personally I'd rather have water that flows around cacti and then into basically an underground sewer system that flushes all items out into the same spot for collection

[Aldurin]

I just wanna say in general guys uh, tailor your lava-construction plans with an eye towards the fact that I do not promise or guarantee that fire protection will always and forever be enabled to keep ya'll from burning down the whole entire world around you.

Oh right, I haven't planted trees in my lava yet.

Also to aero's idea, dropped items are destroyed on contact with cacti. Drowning pit is the best option and lavablade is a close second.

[Doc ock rokc]

yes the best good option for mobs is a drowning pit but if you do it where spiders run into cacti at the top it not only kills those pesky bastards but sofens any creeper that wants to rush the farmer.


Also Fifth do you have some plugin that disables arrows after a short time? My little experiment (science is magic) kinda requires arrows not...disappearing on me.

[Flarecobra]

Oh right, I haven't planted trees in my lava yet.

Also to aero's idea, dropped items are destroyed on contact with cacti. Drowning pit is the best option and lavablade is a close second.

You mean lava there?

[Aerozord]

oh and I did have another idea, instead of a mob grinder, we collect them, then use water and pistons to move them to a GLADIATORIAL ARENA

[Doc ock rokc]

The more mobs are alive.
The less slimes that are alive.
So no gladiatory battles.

[Aldurin]

You mean lava there?

Cacti too, that's why you can't just punch out the center of cacti for optimal manual farming.

[Flarecobra]

Um... Yes you can. I've done that all the time!

[Aerozord]

The more mobs are alive.
The less slimes that are alive.
So no gladiatory battles.

gladiator slimes

[Fifthfiend]

personally I'd rather have water that flows around cacti and then into basically an underground sewer system that flushes all items out into the same spot for collection

Oh right, I haven't planted trees in my lava yet.

Also to aero's idea, dropped items are destroyed on contact with cacti. Drowning pit is the best option and lavablade is a close second.

You can do a drowning pit that ALSO uses cactus as a spider-catcher! My monster masher on arcanos uses that it is a QYITE EXCYLLENT method.

[Doc ock rokc]

gladiator slimes

even with my water staircases we could never get them up for some reason slimes are seriously hindered by water and can drown easy and when they drown they don't drop slimes

[Aldurin]

even with my water staircases we could never get them up for some reason slimes are seriously hindered by water and can drown easy and when they drown they don't drop slimes

pistons

[Doc ock rokc]

Ok I have managed to figure out the seed fifth uses for inferium.
I have found out that Town hall is sitting RIGHT ON TOP OF A SLIME HOTSPOT!

[Fifthfiend]

Man uh Doc

The reason I was not givin you the seed is cause I don't wanna use shit like that to find things on the server.

...I mean dang why not use mods to find all the irons and diamond and such there's like a million mods for that.

[Aldurin]

Man uh Doc

The reason I was not givin you the seed is cause I don't wanna use shit like that to find things on the server.

Pointless effort, Doc knows anything he wants, and that which he does not know he will acquire no matter what.

[Fifthfiend]

Like guys I haven't made a big deal of this before now because 1. It hasn't really come up and 2. there's very little I can do about it if you decide to do and don't like outright tell me you're doing it but use of client-side mods like this are not really something I support on this server.

I go to a lot of effort to come up with game modes of every kind that anyone could ask for if you want to real easily get a ton of everything then just play on the four creative-mode worlds available to you.

[Doc ock rokc]

Its not easily getting anything we want. we are still fighting and searching this just a really rare item a little bit easier to find.
I removed the seed and tool from my post. Since you already built on the best possible spot anyway (seriously we are all over 24 blocks way from it and its easily accessible Nice job)

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Why do we need another slime hotpost anyway? The one we have now is perfectly fine. I've got over 60 slimes from there already. Every giant slime drops around 20 and sometimes it spawns 2 at once. We don't really need more slime hotspots really.

[Aerozord]

I'd ask why you need so many slimes in the first place, only one recipe requires them and among all of us we probably have hundreds of slime balls already

Doc you are acting like they are dropping diamond or iron

[Doc ock rokc]

alot of designs i use require sticky pistons. plus there are hints that they may have more use in the next update and I don't wish to be in short supply.

[Flarecobra]

Need redstone?

[Doc ock rokc]

after you gave me your stacks flare I have never stoped finding some while exploring around in the diamond layer.

[Flarecobra]

Well, I got 15 stacks at the moment...

[Aerozord]

alot of designs i use require sticky pistons. plus there are hints that they may have more use in the next update and I don't wish to be in short supply.

let me get this straight, you are so worried about farming slimes (which from what hawk said you can easily get 20 in a day) because there might be more uses for it in recipes you may want to use, eventually, from an update that might not happen for weeks or even months?

[BitVyper]

I'm willing to bet that if slime gets used in more recipes it will probably also become less difficult to come by.

[Doc ock rokc]

let me get this straight, you are so worried about farming slimes (which from what hawk said you can easily get 20 in a day) because there might be more uses for it in recipes you may want to use, eventually, from an update that might not happen for weeks or even months?

Well I haven't had the same luck as Hawk. my average is less then 3 a day (and that's from finding the spot in the first place) and I scourer that place daily.

Plus you should know that I am curious and I like to experiment (never building homes but always building projects. If you heard about a new feature wouldn't you want to try it?

[Aerozord]

yea but if its just testing then do it on the creative worlds and then just apply it.

[CitizenZ]

Well I haven't had the same luck as Hawk. my average is less then 3 a day (and that's from finding the spot in the first place) and I scourer that place daily.

Plus you should know that I am curious and I like to experiment (never building homes but always building projects. If you heard about a new feature wouldn't you want to try it?

I can give you 50-something if you want. I have almost two stacks, so I've got plenty.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Well I haven't had the same luck as Hawk. my average is less then 3 a day (and that's from finding the spot in the first place) and I scourer that place daily.

It's quite funny, right after you left just now I went back down there and found another giant. He didn't split for some reason though. Oh and with the reduced regen I now recommend FULL armour when facing them. These dudes hit like nothing else.

Oh and I can confirm that they will also spawn by the underground tree farm too, having just found 1 there as well.

[Doc ock rokc]

yea but if its just testing then do it on the creative worlds and then just apply it.
Which comes full circle to How can i apply it without materials?

[Aerozord]

Which comes full circle to How can i apply it without materials?

I can give you 50-something if you want. I have almost two stacks, so I've got plenty.
you need more then 50 sticky pistons?

[Marc v4.0]

let me get this straight, you are so worried about farming slimes (which from what hawk said you can easily get 20 in a day) because there might be more uses for it in recipes you may want to use, eventually, from an update that might not happen for weeks or even months?

Some of us work this way and it really doesn't have any bearing on anyone else so why even be bothered by it?

[Doc ock rokc]

Is it so wrong that I want to find it on my own? So I am not breathing down everyone's neck to get some?

[Aerozord]

Some of us work this way and it really doesn't have any bearing on anyone else so why even be bothered by it?

cause its part of why he objects to an awesome monster battling arena, so I want to get said issue resolved so I can work on said battle arena

[Doc ock rokc]

cause its part of why he objects to an awesome monster battling arena, so I want to get said issue resolved so I can work on said battle arena
I didn't say you couldn't (nor do i have the power to stop you if you did) I was just pointing out a few things. First only you want to do that. Second, The rest want monster farms/mashers and lastly that it effects everyone. Its the reason I don't experiment around with making ram on the creative server It causes lag I don't think fifth could handle (also the reason why I destroyed my man cannons)

[Marc v4.0]

Yeah, he can't exactly do anything to stop you from making it. The worst he could get away with is not using it.

Ooooo, scary.

[BitVyper]

Decision belongs to Shy, since we made her townmaster, but if neither she or Fifthfiend have nothing to say about it, I'm gonna say that any monster arenas or things which are going to hold large numbers of mobs consistently like that should be built a respectful distance from peoples' mob spawners. The fact is that the spawner was there first, and it's not a thing that can be located anywhere.

If, however, you can build it in such a way that mobs are only present when you want them to be, I won't mind it. By this I mean it would have to only be spawning mobs when you were actually using it, and it would have to be purged of mobs after you were finished. I understand that probably makes it unworkable, but I'm leaving it there as an option for you if you come up with a way to make it work.

Edit: Doc, how far does something have to be from the spawner before it won't affect it? Maybe we could work up some zoning here. The town is gonna have to expand soonish anyway.

Edit: Let me make it clear that this only applies to the spawner that is already present. If someone builds an arena or some kind of spawner on top of another slime hotspot, then you'll have to work it out with them.

Edit: And this is in no way a statement that monster arenas are not okay. That could be a totally rad thing to have in association with the town.

[Aerozord]

I think all you would need is distance. Pretty sure mobs only spawn within a certain radius from players. In fact the bigger issue would probably waiting for mobs to spawn and collect when people are around then it taking up slots

[BitVyper]

We actually have at least one zombie spawner in town, if I recall correctly. Could you use that? 'Cause then it'd be pretty easy to get mobs quickly when you wanted them and you could just set up some piston lights so that you could stop it from spawning when you were done. You could probably even set it up with a piston system that would drown unused mobs when you finished.

[Aldurin]

Oh yeah, is it possible for admins to place non-pig spawners? Or is that something you would need a bukkit plugin for?

[Aerozord]

spawner would help alot, if someone can give me coordinates

[BitVyper]

spawner would help alot, if someone can give me coordinates

I know it's in (under) town somewhere, but I don't recall exactly where. It was faaaaairly close to the surface if I recall correctly, maybe even in one of the hills.

[CitizenZ]

I thought of a way to spider-proof the town. Glass wall replaces fence. one-deep hole at bottom of glass wall. Lava source blocks at top of glass wall (on the outside). Doesn't go everywhere b/c of the hole at the bottom. I already have quite a few lava buckets, but if anyone doesn't want to do that then thats ok too.

[Flarecobra]

I think I'm having issues visualizing how that works.

[Fifthfiend]

Its not easily getting anything we want. we are still fighting and searching this just a really rare item a little bit easier to find.
I removed the seed and tool from my post. Since you already built on the best possible spot anyway (seriously we are all over 24 blocks way from it and its easily accessible Nice job)

Thanks for removing that. Like I said, I realize I haven't made this position clear previously and we certainly do use a substantial amount of server-side modification, and certainly the use of in-game exploits is something I freely support and encourage, so it's not as if that was a 100% obvious line in what was okay.

As far as using the slime spot you already found, I don't see any reason to ignore it now that we know about it. As far as me having built on it - slimes only spawn below level 15 right? Everything below the town hall and the basement is just like, community mining. On level nine all I've done is start out a basic structure for diamond-mining and for building out future expansions. There's no reason that space can't be dug out more and used for slime-slaying.

In fact I'd always planned - as I've said a couple times - of building a huge monster-masher there once the mine has gotten really dug out so slimes spawning in the same area is pretty much fantastic.

[CitizenZ]

I think I'm having issues visualizing how that works.

Glass wall replaces fence (b/c fifth said he might turn fire on at some point).

Trench goes at bottom of wall.

Lava goes on the outside of glass wall and lava-falls down into trench.

Result: Impenetrable wall of lava.

[Nikose Tyris]

Notch is adding rivers:
http://i.imgur.com/6MeBH.jpg

[CitizenZ]

Would they have currents? That would be cool.

[Nikose Tyris]

From the look of the screenshot, no; but that doesn't mean it won't happen, just that we can't see it. It'd take some pretty nifty changeups to make it work though.

[Aldurin]

That reminds me, if the natural skyline was raised so that natural terrain could generate to even higher heights, then we'd get some really epic mountains going on. And really a few more vertical layers will not put as much stress on the game as weather did.

[Doc ock rokc]

Edit: Doc, how far does something have to be from the spawner before it won't affect it? Maybe we could work up some zoning here. The town is gonna have to expand soonish anyway.
Spawners constantly spawn monsters as long as two guide lines are meet.
First one or more players have to be within 128 blocks of the spawner. two their isn't more then 6 monsters in a 17x17x9 area.

So dig a big ditch and make alot of water escalators.

[Fifthfiend]

Notch is adding rivers:
http://i.imgur.com/6MeBH.jpg

That reminds me, if the natural skyline was raised so that natural terrain could generate to even higher heights, then we'd get some really epic mountains going on. And really a few more vertical layers will not put as much stress on the game as weather did.

As far as I understand it as of right now, Notch is making changes to the game code to make it easier for mods to change the world height, but the non-modded standard will still be the current 128 (actually 127).

I haven't said much to you guys about what the plans are gonna be for post-1.8 play because TBH I don't actually know what the plans are post-1.8. It's looking like 1.8 is going to change a lot of things, and then on top of that at some point after 1.8 there may be new mods we'll want to use (particularly whether height mods happen), and on top of that there are some things in development which aren't even related to 1.8 that would be pretty major changes to how the server runs if I decided to implement them (particularly the Spout server/client mod I've linked previously).

It's not clear if/how the new code will affect existing maps so we're probably looking at adding at least one new world. Of course given that biome code is going to be changed substantially that means I can't use existing seeds so I'll probably want to wait to add one until we can find one that spits us out a really excellent world using the new code. And of course even allowing for that, if there's a chance the height limit might be raised then I don't want to commit to a new map until we know whether or not that's a thing that can happen, because that's pretty much right at the top of my Minecraft Server Christmas Wish List and has been for a while.

So basically all of this is to say if you're wondering what's gonna happen to Fiendcraft whenever 1.8 gets released the answer is I don't know! I am certainly keeping my eye on the news as it comes out and have a few possibilities for how to do things but I def. don't want to commit myself to any particular thing until we know more.

[Fifthfiend]

I thought of a way to spider-proof the town. Glass wall replaces fence. one-deep hole at bottom of glass wall. Lava source blocks at top of glass wall (on the outside). Doesn't go everywhere b/c of the hole at the bottom. I already have quite a few lava buckets, but if anyone doesn't want to do that then thats ok too.

Might as well use water instead of lava since afaik spiders can't swim up that (certainly not against glass) and it should be pretty doable to then integrate that into some sort of drowning trap/drops harvester.

EDIT: Plus it would look pretty.

[CitizenZ]

Might as well use water instead of lava since afaik spiders can't swim up that (certainly not against glass) and it should be pretty doable to then integrate that into some sort of drowning trap/drops harvester.

EDIT: Plus it would look pretty.

But I like lava....

[Fifthfiend]

But I like lava....

I figured that out when you took my post saying "hey guys there are circumstances in which putting lava all over everything could actually result in you burning down the whole entire world around you" to mean "hey guys put lava all over everything ever forever"

[CitizenZ]

I figured that out when you took my post saying "hey guys there are circumstances in which putting lava all over everything could actually result in you burning down the whole entire world around you" to mean "hey guys put lava all over everything ever forever"

But my plan included a way to contain the lava from burning anything.

[Fifthfiend]

But my plan included a way to contain the lava from burning anything.

Except for anything that's anywhere in the vicinity of the fence and is something which can burn!

[CitizenZ]

Except for anything that's anywhere in the vicinity of the fence and is something which can burn!

The fence will be gone. There will be a glass (or really, anything) wall in its place. At all places there will be glass (or whatever) between the town and the lava. And I will cut down any trees close to the wall so they wont burn.

But, since there is opposition to this, I guess I wont be doing this for the entire town.

[Marc v4.0]

Why go to all this trouble when you can just make the fence better the easy way?


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/fuckingduh.png


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/andfurther.png

[BitVyper]

Yeah, I like that. Looks kind of barbed wirey.

[Flarecobra]

Looks good to me.

[Marc v4.0]

With slight modification to the thickness of the wall, a piston-powered gate could be installed easily. Stickys move fence pieces easily and they update to mesh properly too

[Fifthfiend]

Why go to all this trouble when you can just make the fence better the easy way?


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/fuckingduh.png


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/andfurther.png

Why didn't I think of this jesus christ

[CitizenZ]

What fifth said, in slightly milder language.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

That is a rather bitching fence arrangment. We should definately do that. I'm also wondering whether we should remove the pressure pad door opener for the main gate too, seeing as I had a skeleton follow me through before. Imagine if it was a creeper...

Oh and I also took the time to cut back some more trees by the spawn, and removed those stupid floating leftover branches, because I was becoming convinced that stuff was spawning in the shadows of those trees. Hopefully not quite as much stuff will spawn quite so close to us now.

[Flarecobra]

Yeah, mobs will trigger pressure plates.

[Pip Boy]

With the right amount of space, you could make it so that its always open, but walking across pressure plates will cause the floor to open to a pit of lava temporarily. For people to pass through, a lever at each end can be implemented to jam the whole system so that you switch the lever, walk through, and switch the lever. Those who walk through without toggling the lever will fall into hot burny death.

[CitizenZ]

With the right amount of space, you could make it so that its always open, but walking across pressure plates will cause the floor to open to a pit of lava temporarily. For people to pass through, a lever at each end can be implemented to jam the whole system so that you switch the lever, walk through, and switch the lever. Those who walk through without toggling the lever will fall into hot burny death.

If someone could build that, that would be awesome. I would donate the lava.

[Doc ock rokc]

how large are we talking about here? 2x2 or 2x3 or 3x3?

[Grimpond]

Is the server down or something? I can't seem to connect.

[CitizenZ]

Me either. So it is the server.

[BitVyper]

Server's down for a bit of maintenance. Be back up later.

Edit: And we're back up.

[Thadius]

Doc, there seems to be a small case of random signage popping up in your house.

Might wanna look into that.

[Arhra]

With the right amount of space, you could make it so that its always open, but walking across pressure plates will cause the floor to open to a pit of lava temporarily. For people to pass through, a lever at each end can be implemented to jam the whole system so that you switch the lever, walk through, and switch the lever. Those who walk through without toggling the lever will fall into hot burny death.

Or we could just implement a push-button arrangement where you push a button on one side to open the door and push a button on the other side to close it?

I mean, I could do it easily. My test chambers in Zeal basically run on the concept.

[Marc v4.0]

With the right amount of space, you could make it so that its always open, but walking across pressure plates will cause the floor to open to a pit of lava temporarily. For people to pass through, a lever at each end can be implemented to jam the whole system so that you switch the lever, walk through, and switch the lever. Those who walk through without toggling the lever will fall into hot burny death.

You guys make everything so damn complicated

^

[Nikose Tyris]

I work very slowly on projects I enjoy.

Basically the 14x14 square under my building is going to be a 10x10 pit in the end, with staircase + Railing. Once I get the path started, I'll open invitation for people to come in and use it as a strip-mine.

[CitizenZ]

Fifth, a creeper got part of your ceiling when Bolt was fixing the fence. Just a warning.

[Pip Boy]

Alternately, we could use a system of underground tunnels with a lot of forks and turns that each leads to an identical dead-end. At that dead end, you can hit a switch that will enable you to enter our secret underground city, but if you're at one of the many false entrances it will instead drop you in lava. The only practical way in is to know the proper route through the tunnels from the start or to sneakily follow someone else.

[Flarecobra]

That sounds overly complicated and annoying.

Sounds like a Pip plan. :P

[Marc v4.0]

How about..just hear me out here...a damn door.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Ok, I'm slightly annoyed guys, for 2 reasons.

1) Somebody took the map from the town square. You know, the one by the sign that says "Only existing map, please don't take." The one that I spent over an hour compiling. If you still have it please return it, cos I sure as fuck ain't remapping the world again.

2) Somebody used my wheat farm and took all the stuff without replanting. It's a very minor thing and call me petty, but it's kinda common curtesy to put peoples stuff back after using it. I have no issue with anyone using it, but really how hard is it to just replant the seeds you just picked up?

On the subject of farming, I've built an automated cactii farm. It's by the bakery wheat farm and whilst only small, wil provide a constant stream of cactii forever. There is no need to do anything to it, just stand in the water where the 2 channels meet behind the sign to collect the stuff.

EDIT Oh and on the front door situation, yeah, we definately need to remove the pressure pads. Almost had a creeper follow me through this time.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

If I can figure out which map number corresponds to Infernum I'd be glad to remap a replacement.

[CitizenZ]

Can someone that can build in the spawn take the fences out of the chest by the fountain and build a fence around the spawn? And there is also a creepersplosion pit at the spawn point.

[Ramary]

I think I am gonna get back into minecraft eventually soon at some point. At some point before the uncertain time i feel like playing, can you white list Ramary?

[Fifthfiend]

I think I am gonna get back into minecraft eventually soon at some point. At some point before the uncertain time i feel like playing, can you white list Ramary?

Far as I can remember you're listed already but let us know if you jump on the server and it turns out this is not the case.

[Doc ock rokc]

If I can figure out which map number corresponds to Infernum I'd be glad to remap a replacement.

17

[Fifthfiend]

IDK if it was griefing or just an extremely poor design decision but huge uncovered lavafloods in town are obviously not acceptable.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Was this in the town itself? I was working on a project that used lava on a mountain a little bit away from spawn on a nearby mountain but if it's a problem I can clean up.

[BitVyper]

Wasn't your thing. It was in the town. Big messy lava dump.

Edit: I found a skeleton spawner and turned it into a harvester, so expect lots of bone and arrows to be in the community chests under the town hall.

[Aldurin]

Wasn't your thing. It was in the town. Big messy lava dump.

You're not talking about my spectacularly lethal front lawn are you?

[Fifthfiend]

You're not talking about my spectacularly lethal front lawn are you?

If you mean your lavapool nah.

Basically the entire area in front of Bolt's house for maybe.... 20x20 blocks-ish was covered in open flowing lava.

IDK if Bolt did that as just a particuarly unusual decoration decision or someone else on the server was griefing him for reasons I'm unaware of but no yeah it was pretty z0MGLAVA. Like if you'd seen what we were talking about you'd know that's what we were talking about.

Also someone "covered" a "breach" at one point in the fence by dumping lava all over it so I cleared that and then, instead of lava, patched the fence with... some fence.

Like in fact this is a good point at which to make it clear I am specifically not getting on people for stuff like your lava pool, or even uh... cyborgmonkey?... WHO EVER's lava tower, just as long as there's an effort to keep the lava to some kind of basic defined area, I am only talking here about stuff that is like, basically dropped all over the place and spilling into public areas in a way that is either griefing or just visibly indistinguishable from griefing.

[Nikose Tyris]

Gentlemen.

We are currently utilizing glowstone for lamposts, in the following fashion:

G
|
|
|

Where G= Glowstone, and | = Fence post.

This is... acceptable. However! I propose we change the layout slightly, so that instead, it appears as thus:

| |
| G
|
|
|

For while the additional height may take up more resources, it provides a much prettier appearance.

This is purely decorative so like, feel free to ignore me.

[Fifthfiend]

Gentlemen.

http://screwthemanual.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/941549-gentlemen_super.jpg

[Nikose Tyris]

What no dude I'm Canadian.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/071/8/e/Anime_North_2010___Gentlemen__by_Anodesu.jpg

Edit: Deviant art credit to Anodesu, she's awesome/does commissions.

[Aldurin]

That's good, my lava pool is only designed to destroy trespassers using their own stupidity.

[Doc ock rokc]

Sigh why does 3x3 pits have to be so hard to make...

[Aldurin]

It's easy with TNT.

[Nikose Tyris]

Could y'all please

WHITELIST: hopeknez

It's my little sister. She's 14 on the 28th and I bought her full version as a birthday present.

Edit: Yes the awesome one.

Edit2: Yes the one who did all that cancer stuff.

[Doc ock rokc]

It's easy with TNT.

no no no PISTON trap doors.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I'm not even sure that can work, not 3x3. 2x2 fine, as each piston can just lower and then retract into the wall, but how do you remove the middle one on a 3x3?

[Nikose Tyris]

A non-extended piston can be moved by another piston. Just more steps to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bA0fe_4EGg

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yes I know that, I just couldn't see how it would work. And as I thought, it's complicated as fuck. I mean christ look at the size of that mechanism, just to move those extra blocks out of the way.

But Doc wasn't talking about just any door anyway, he wanted a trap door. So somehow you have to take that entire thing and flip it on its side, with pistons pulling pistons pulling pistons and then shunting them all to the side. Yeah, good luck with that.

[Melfice]

It's been done.
Up to 5x5, I believe.

I'm NOT going to find the video for that, however. Just go search the Minecraft forums (as in, the actual ones) and find the thread for the Pistons MOD by Hippoplatimus.

[Doc ock rokc]

Its easy flare once you figure it all out. the hard bit is making sure the middle pistons don't interfere with anything else.
observe
7783this is it open

7784and closed

7785
7786
The middle piston is powered by a notpictured redstonetorch with a zero tick reduction of time the first set of pistons is delayed by 9 ticks or .9 of a second the next one is at 10 ticks then the last pulls in at 11 ticks.

The opening deal is similar but different instead the last one goes first at 5 ticks then the second piston at 7 ticks then the last at 9 ticks.

also 5x5 can't be done anymore due to how stickies work now.

[Nikose Tyris]

Also Hope is a little bit slow with computers so uh, please be nice? ^^'

[Flarecobra]

Its easy flare once you figure it all out. the hard bit is making sure the middle pistons don't interfere with anything else.
observe
[7786
The middle piston is powered by a notpictured redstonetorch with a zero tick reduction of time the first set of pistons is delayed by 9 ticks or .9 of a second the next one is at 10 ticks then the last pulls in at 11 ticks.

The opening deal is similar but different instead the last one goes first at 5 ticks then the second piston at 7 ticks then the last at 9 ticks.

also 5x5 can't be done anymore due to how stickies work now.


I did not say anything.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Ok who decided to dirt up the window of one of my bedrooms and then shove water down the hole next to it? Because that was blatant goddam greifing if I ever saw it.

[Nikose Tyris]

...
Doc. You, uh. You're in my basement.

Like, the entire door mechanism/plant growing operation? I've fallen through it while working on my grand spiral staircase down to the pits.

I'm not sure how to proceed from here. This is a rather... frustrating thing. I really want that giant gaping pit to extend to the farthest reaches here. [There was gonna be an elevator and everything...]

[BitVyper]

It's Hawk's testing chamber, for reference.

[Nikose Tyris]

Was just heading here to post that.

[Doc ock rokc]

I did not say anything.

sorry I am felling a bit underthe weather and both of your avatars are the same character so...yeah.

[BitVyper]

So I found a spider spawner literally right next to the slime hunting grounds. I'm gonna turn it into a harvester, but I'll set it up with piston activated lights so it can be turned off when not in use. Might actually help the slime spawn rate, since they must have already been sharing slots with the spiders being spawned in that room.

Edit: Actually, I guess spawners only go off when you're close by anyway, and the trap will be killing any mobs it generates, so an off switch is redundant in this case. I won't bother.

[Flarecobra]

Dropped off a metric assload of cobblestone into the community chests.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Funny you should say that Flare, as I just built a cobblestone generator in town, to go along with our other farms. So if anyone needs a shit load of cobble, go there, and mine the lazy mans way. You don't even need to move anywhere to mine it, just stand on 1 spot and flail away with your pick.

It can also be turned on or off, as it's based on a redstone loop, so please remember to turn it off when you're done.

Now, is it possible to make a sheep farm?

EDIT; Oh and I spiderproofed the south gate. We're still getting creepers spawning in town somewhere though.

[Nikose Tyris]

Hawk! Glad you're online. Can you get on messenger to chat?

Edit:

Hawk exists below me, and I can go no further, but I still wish to proceed working below my 15' x 15' plot. I should have done a title-search before purchasing this land sector to make sure I had mineral rights to the land. [Badum-psh.]

[Flarecobra]

Funny you should say that Flare, as I just built a cobblestone generator in town, to go along with our other farms. So if anyone needs a shit load of cobble, go there, and mine the lazy mans way. You don't even need to move anywhere to mine it, just stand on 1 spot and flail away with your pick.


And that's interesting, since I often go there and drop off a ton of cobbestone anyway, so one doesn't need to use picks to get cobblestone...

And I'm even willing to deliver to your doorstep too. ^_^

-This message brought to you by Flare's Delivrey Service. "Why mine things when you can get someone else to do it for you?"

[Aldurin]

Flarefiend: An Mining Distribution Tale

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yeah but now we don't need countless chests to hold cobblestone nobody is using scattered all over town. If somebody needs some, they can just get some. And anyway it looks cool, and I can use it to create a self repairing castle in the future.

Besides, I like automating things. I want every resource it is possible to automate, to be automated. Also whilst building these kinds of things I've learnt more about the mechanics of the game, which always helps. This is why I built my lab with its auto-caner, auto-wheater, redstone clocks and counters and my auto-cactii farm.

I need to take a look at Bits mob spawners to learn how they work and then apply it to animals, to get free food, leather and wool forever. Oh and I should probably try and get a mushroom farm on the go too at some point.

[Fifthfiend]

HAWK

TALK TO NIKOSE ABOUT YOUR BASEMENT OR WHATEVER

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

We did, neither of us knows what to do. And it's not just my basement either, most directly below the intended hole is Docs secret tunnel and his entrance into the testing area.

[Fifthfiend]

SHYRIA DRACNOIR

TELL THESE GUYS WHAT TO DO

[Thadius]

Sounds like we need Shyria to come on and judge this dispute.

EDIT: Dammit fifth stop being a ninja.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Alright alright, I'm coming. Gotta get on the desktop since the laptop is proving to be a major lagbeast

EDIT: Nevermind, desktop is busy updating and I got a memory error. Lagbeast it is.

[Fifthfiend]

I don't mean right this second or nothing just like at some point

[Shyria Dracnoir]

ALRIGHT, SO GUYS

I'M THINKING IF NIKOSE WANTS TO BUILD A BIG HUGE HOLE UNDER HIS HOUSE, HE MAY WANT TO RECONSIDER THE "UNDER THE HOUSE" PART OR MAKING IT SLIGHTLY LESS HUGE. SOUNDS LIKE DOC AND HAWK WERE THERE FIRST. IF HAWK NEEDS HELP DECONSTRUCTING ANYTHING OR GETITNG HIS CONSTRUCTION STUFF BACK LET ME KNOW.

THE TOWNMASTER HAS SPOKEN.

[Nikose Tyris]

Bit had a solution he was really "Ehh" about since he didn't know how you'd feel about it, but-

how about just doing a quick town expansion, moving my building out where the underzone will be free and clear? With superamazingmodpowers it's apparently not a hugely difficult thing, but I would understand that we would want that as the last ditch option or whatever.

Also I've done a lot of digging and I'm pretty far down.

Edit: I'm not really pleased with that townmaster response, as it invalidates the fact that I kind of asked for a spot that would be mine specifically, and was told "oh right here, you should be good". My entire construction was based on having the longfall basement, with railing. :/

edit2: Also Hawk and Doc have huge expanses that cover the city in ridiculous proportions- I have a 15x15 section of land, and I'd just like all the land that's part of. :/

Edit3: Like I've even found and now marked off a section that you could move it to, I just need someone to check if there's any of Hawk or Doc's tunnels beneath me way out here now.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Bleh, I hate not having a better computer to check this out on.

Alright, what if we get Nikose to scooch the lab a few squares over, just enough so that it doesn't intersect your pit? We can screencap all of his experiment setups so he can rebuild them pretty easily. I need to double check how much overlap there is between your hole and his setup.

I hope we can compromise on this before I have to come down hard.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm perfectly fine with comprimising, so long as the comprimise isn't "They were there first so you are SOL."

I mean, Fifth said "This is your plot" and like, property rights 101: Your land ownership extends to the property beneath it. :/

Edit: Also since it's right on the corner of his construction plot apparently [See: Entire undercroft of city] I'm pretty sure scooching it would be a ton of effort for anyone involved. Isn't there a copy/paste button to just relocate my property?

Edit2: I ask because redstone gets glitchy as hell when moved with most of the relocation options, and it would pretty much fubar all the experiments to scooch them like that.

[Fifthfiend]

SHYRIA DRACNOIR

INSTANT MESSAGE ME

USING ANY OF THE VARIOUS SUCH SERVICES ON WHICH I AM AVAILABLE

I mean, Fifth said "This is your plot" and like, property rights 101: Your land ownership extends to the property beneath it. :/

I said it was a good spot on which you should build! I didn't know about your extensive underground plans and have said that I am not a controlling legal authority for town-related ownership disputes.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

I seem to remember there being a copy/paste option, but I haven't been instructed on how to use it and it might be restricted to higher-level OPs like Fifth.

I don't want to fuss with it without some more instruction (the last time I experimented with op powers on my own I shut down the server while trying to make it sunny out). Though technically it did stop the rainstorm.

Anyways, talk to Fifth or Bit about it and make sure that your new paste site is agreeable and conflict-free.

[Nikose Tyris]

When Bit gets on, I'll bother him about it, get him to check the new site to make sure it's clear, and then, if Townmaster Shyria is down with it, we'll move my construction over, so that Hawk's Museum of Redstone Contraptions doesn't get fussed with / broken.

[Nikose Tyris]

I said it was a good spot on which you should build! I didn't know about your extensive underground plans and have said that I am not a controlling legal authority for town-related ownership disputes.

Ah, fair enough, I misunderstood you, I do that a lot, fair enough!

[Fifthfiend]

I seem to remember there being a copy/paste option, but I haven't been instructed on how to use it and it might be restricted to higher-level OPs like Fifth.

I don't want to fuss with it without some more instruction (the last time I experimented with op powers on my own I shut down the server while trying to make it sunny out). Though technically it did stop the rainstorm.

IM MEEEEEE

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Yeah, at this point our options are A) Tell Hawk to give up a corner of his lab space or B) Tell Nik to fill in his hole. Now I'm pretty sure Hawk already has some space he isn't using so if he could scooch any of the experiments that intersect Nik's pit out of the way of Nik's pit this would work. I don't mind helping with digging and construction.

Fifth is trying to restrict the use of big copy/paste commands and it would be simpler to rearrange some of the lab functions than making Nik move his entire house over.

[BitVyper]

I'm just gonna add that town really isn't a great place to be building your sprawling labyrinth, or whatever. You can always take that stuff to Terra, or go a little ways off outside of town. This is life in the city, and everyone bumping into each other is one of the actual challenges of that. This isn't meant in support of either Nikose or Hawk, 'cause I think they both have some legitimate claim on that space, and what happens there is really Shyria's province if they don't work it out themselves.

That said, if you're doing a lot of building underneath town, you should do so expecting to run into this sort of problem eventually, and unless Shy wants to lay down any specific laws in that regard, you shouldn't necessarily expect being somewhere first to be all you need. The deeper you go, and the further away from your house you are (while still being under town, obviously), the less inclined we're gonna feel to support your claim if you and whoever you bump into can't work things out yourself. Communal projects are obviously another thing.

Anyway, this is all secondary to anything Shyria says, of course. Just a suggestion regarding town building.

Edit: Bottom line here is that I, at least, would really like you guys to work out some of these territory disputes yourself if and when they crop up. You have things to offer each other. This should be part of the town building excersize. You could offer each other flat payments, offer help with some work, offer a split on minerals found in an area. Whatever. There are lots of options.

[Nikose Tyris]

I just want my 15x15 staircase clear so I can do my specific floor constructions and get my elevators working. :( I don't care about the minerals or anything underneath, and since this is a pretty much abandoned lab, I don't think Hawk cares either.

[Thadius]

This place is less and less resembling a peaceful safe little village on a monster infested world.

I would liken it to Dwarf Fortress, but that's not quite right.

This is more like a game of Dwarf Fortress where all the dwarves have free will and their own ideas on how the town is going to be built. This is a village of madmen built by madmen who each hate the other's particular flavor of madness. Cramming this many mad people into a small space was going to end up with problems eventually. If it hadn't, there would have been some sort of madness singularity.

[Geminex]

Dwarf Fortress
Hawk has commandeered Science laboratory!
Nikose Tyris has demanded more building space!
Nikose Tyris has gone Berserk!
Hawk has been struck down!
Bitvyper has been struck down!
Nikise Tyris has calmed down.
Mayor Shyria has gone berserk!
Creepers! Run for your lives!

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I think the machine that is in the most immediate jeopardy of Niks hole is my autocaner, which I have no idea how to rebuild. One side of it was my first attempt at complicated redstone switching and it took me literally an hour to figure it out. I since figured out a simpler way to do it, but I was kinda keeping one side untouched for posterity.

I could rip it all out and rebuild it all, but then I'm gona run out of lab space again and will have to expand in another direction, which at this point is pretty limited to straight into the back of the town hall. And this is not to mention Docs tunnel which we all seem to be forgetting. The tunnel completely bisects the hole and leads into a mine. If the hole continues Doc is cut of from it. Though I can't speak for how concerned he is on that.

[Marc v4.0]

As I said in-game that one day, the town system has to be carefully monitored because people will eat up all the space designated for the town with expansions and underground growth if they aren't regulated.

[Nikose Tyris]

It's just, in comparison, I don't think I'm out of sorts by asking for this- I only want the 15x15 section that I've been building under, and I don't intend to expand outwards. :/

[Aldurin]

Hawk has commandeered Science laboratory!
Nikose Tyris has demanded more building space!
Nikose Tyris has gone Berserk!
Hawk has been struck down!
Bitvyper has been struck down!
Nikise Tyris has calmed down.
Mayor Shyria has gone berserk!
Creepers! Run for your lives!

More villager's die in Aldurin's front lawn.
Population decrease frees up more room to build.

[Grimpond]

I cobblestoned up a spiral passage leading down into a mossy room with a zombie spawner if anyone wants to farm feathers. I sealed it with the Four-Torch no Jutsu. Tis on INFERNUM.

Co-ords: X: -219.69
Y: 82.62
Z: 327.69

[Fifthfiend]

SO we still don't have a name for the town.

Someone put together a list of the names which were suggested and we'll see if there's one that everyone likes and if there's not like an obvious favorite then we'll vote or something. Like me picking the town name myself would just be stupid, that is contrary to the whole nature of the project.

UH you should probably not count on the world continuing to be named infernum when you make your decision about what to call the town. I guess IDK what the world's gonna be called yet, uh, I could come up with that before we do the town-naming if people prefer that.

I'll take world name suggestions but I still reserve the right to name worlds.