Concerning Mining, Crafting, Serving, Fifthfiending

[Flarecobra]

Ah. "Lightning War"

[Thadius]

Flare, do let me know when and where you make plans to implement the Plans we talked about.

Because come hell or high water, I WILL see the fruits of these Plans.

[Flarecobra]

Hey Fifth, think you can add Se7eNJinx to the whitelist? Friend of mine wants to join us.

[Marc v4.0]

Do I detect SCIENCE?!

Perhaps I was a bit hasty in fleeing from Arcanos as quickly as I did.

BEGIN THE C-BOMB PROGRAM! MACH SCHNELL!

I tell you, a super-charged creeper would make me drop c-bombs as well

[Bells]

Start with basic Science!

What happens if you make a tower of 5 or more blocks of Pure iron in a open field and let the Lighting storm comes?

Experimentation people!!!

[Aerozord]

WHOSE TAMED DOG IS THAT BY THE SPAWN



i think he's mine, been sick so haven't been on much

[Arhra]

These new power rail blocks are nice. Seem to give a much smooth ride than the boosters.

Less oomph to them though.

[Bells]

I've never seen the sunrise untill now =3

http://i55.tinypic.com/r1g4cp.png

Also, the First Phase of the Glass Tower is done

http://i55.tinypic.com/1zxweug.png

If anybody wants to help out expanding it, it would be great. I have materials stored in the top level of the tower. Anybody is welcome, just don't destroy what is already built.

To reach it, go to Nik's Tower, to the side there is a path with Trees, follow it and you will reach the Ice Bunker. From there, there is a passage by the Bed that takes you up the tower, real easy, takes less then 2 minutes to reach it

[Fifthfiend]

SO ABOUT BUKKIT (http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/when-will-bukkit-be-updated-for-minecraft-1-5.13701/)

When will Bukkit be updated for Minecraft 1.5?

As is the case with every Minecraft update, we saw our usual influx of extra traffic from people wondering if we have a build of CraftBukkit working with the Minecraft update seconds after release (seriously). Usually, you'd see a pretty standard post from me stating we're working on an update and providing the usual advice that you aren't forced to update. However, this time there was a distinct lack of communication from the team regarding the status of the update, other than the usual "we're working on it". Couple this with the slow development occurring lately and we can forgive people for posting the expected "is Bukkit dead?" or "what's going on?" posts. I hope this post will explain everything.

Will there be a CraftBukkit for Minecraft 1.5?
Given the reports of showstopping bugs present in 1.5, there's a high chance a new bugfix update for Minecraft will be out tomorrow or even several times this week. As a result, it is unlikely we will be releasing a 1.5 compatible build and, instead, will be waiting for something stable to work with.

Due to the nature of the project and the methods we use to provide Bukkit for Minecraft, any update - no matter how small - requires us to figure out the mapping of obfuscated classes and update our code. This takes a lot of time and work, so hopefully you understand our decision.

Having said all this, we recommend that you stay on 1.4 for a while until the patch storm subsides if your server depends on Bukkit.

Further, I wanted to apologise for the lack of communication regarding this update. I was really hesitant announcing this since it would only serve to disappoint and annoy people, however, I noticed quite a few supportive comments on here and IRC that pushed me to post this announcement because the people that have supported us through everything deserve it.

Why are things so quiet? Why is the update taking so long?
Before I answer this, I think it is appropriate to cover what usually happens when we're aware of an update coming soon. Whenever we recieve word of a Minecraft update (which, contrary to popular belief, is generally the same time as everyone else), we place all development in the Bukkit project under a code freeze to prepare for the update and make things easier. That being said, last week thursday we were expecting a Minecraft update and appropriately placed the project under a code freeze. Unfortunately, the update was delayed and pushed to the next week, resulting in a much longer code freeze than normally occurs. Naturally, this lead to activity within the project seeming critically lower than it really was and prompted some people to post the inevitable "what's going on?" thread.

On top of the code freeze, we're working on some larger changes to Bukkit or CraftBukkit that require quite a bit of time to complete and will only be commited to the public code when they are ready. Quite often you'll find that, while you don't see any updates, we definitely are still working hard programming awesome things and appreciate your patience and support.

So why is this update taking so long? After we had updated for Minecraft 1.4, we came across some annoying chunk related issues and bugs that were incredibly difficult to pinpoint due to confusion with the new obfuscated names mappings (d -> c and c -> d). Naturally, these kinds of issues were unacceptable for the project and we immediately got to work on improving our update process to avoid issues of this nature in the future. While I think we can all agree with this decision, the unfortunate result is the delay we're currently facing since we're not yet done improving the process. The good news is, we're nearly done improving our update handling process and the wait will definitely be worth it come future updates.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

TLDR:

Bukkit is not updating to be compatible with 1.5.0 because 1.5.0 is fulllllll of fuckin bugs.

They are instead going to update to be compatible with 1.5.1 or 1.5.2 or whichever update is not full of fuckin bugs.

Since we all already updated to 1.5 (THANKS FOR THAT TIMELY MESSAGE NOT TO DO THAT, BUKKIT TEAM), we'll be running the unmodded, single-world server for a while longer than I thought.

[Nikose Tyris]

I am perfectly okay with this. It means I can go ahead with my screenshot path story thingie.

[Fifthfiend]

ALSO it looks like the server itself is down ATM, gonna holler at the hosting people.

EDIT: N/M looks like we good.

[Fifthfiend]

Basically the deal is shit got half-baked because Notch had a Portal 2 hardon.

[Marc v4.0]

Damn you Vaaaaaaaaaalve!

[Aldurin]

Oh yeah, I just discovered the Far Lands (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Far_Lands) thanks to minecraft wiki. It seems kind of awesome but I was wondering if the far lands do their reality glitch in multiplayer.

If so, would it be possible to separately render and then chunk-splice some of it into a map for multiplayer?

If not, can a portal be set up that goes in that area?

But this is probably unreasonable, since it's like in real life saying "Hey God, can you let me visit the edge of the universe?"

[Fifthfiend]

It's more like saying hey god can you let me visit the edge of the universe that will cause severe lag in the rest of the game.

which is to say

MAYBE

because it actually looks super cool

[Fifthfiend]

Oh man it's like the fucking Source Wall of Minecraft

[Aerozord]

I say anyone that legitimately reaches the far lands deserves to crash the server because obviously it cant handle how awesome he is

[Arhra]

I built a new railway.

I hope no-one minds the location.

[TDK]

I say anyone that legitimately reaches the far lands deserves to crash the server because obviously it cant handle how awesome he is

Sexist.

[Flarecobra]

BIIIIIG Problem:

Those who were on Elysum.... are now on Terra with the Ely loadout.

http://sadpanda.us/images/448616-AN2V6DO.png

That is Shy's Dragon. Note the leaves block in my hand.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/Shyria_Dracnoir/morons.png

I'll give whatever braindamaged drooling waste of oxygen who came up with this travesty 24 hours to confess and take down their handiwork. Your time in the magma furnace will be reduced to two days instead of two weeks and I won't rub road salt into the burns afterwards.

[Grimpond]

so...what's wrong with it?\

E: Waaaaaaaait a minute....is...is that what I think it is?

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Yes. Under the circumstances I'm being very restrained in my punishment options...

[TDK]

I don't know what I'm looking at. Is that your dragon? Which-

Oh! Ohhhh...

...I thought it was female?

[Kerensky287]

Not anymore it ain't.

...If you do plan to fix that please do it when I am not on the server, I do not think I could survive the sympathy pains.

[Fifthfiend]

BIIIIIG Problem:

Those who were on Elysum.... are now on Terra with the Ely loadout.

I actually went in and manually edited people's inventory. Stuff like leaves I may not have noticed as I was mainly looking for like, massive heaps of tnt / golden apples / diamond tools and that kind of thing.

I'll give whatever braindamaged drooling waste of oxygen who came up with this travesty 24 hours to confess and take down their handiwork. Your time in the magma furnace will be reduced to two days instead of two weeks and I won't rub road salt into the burns afterwards.

Hahaha no lie, I lolled

THAT SAID it is really in the uh, contributing artist's best interests to own up to this and apologize to Shy and offer to take it down.

Like I would say doing this AND OWNING UP TO IT would be right up on the line of 1.5 bein'-a-douche points, where doin' this and then not saying anything and then I end up spending a bunch of my time figuring out who did it way later from now when I'm not in the mood to find it funny would be WELL PAST that reasonable allotment of douchiness.

[Flarecobra]

She already took it down.

[TDK]

I would like to make it perfectly clear that this was not me because that's a dick thing to do, but how would you find out who did it, anyway?

[BitVyper]

Pranking is not completely intolerable to some degree as long as it isn't made a habit. IF you absolutely must do something like this, please adhere to a few rules so that we don't have to ban joking entirely:

1. Nothing destructive.

2. Nothing deadly.

3. Take responsibility for it when it's discovered, and be willing to abandon your own projects to go take down whatever you did.

4. If you think it's actually going to upset someone, don't do it.

5. Don't leave it sitting there longer than a day or two if it isn't noticed.

Finally: It's not a friendly joke if you're not friends with the person you're playing it on.

[Fifthfiend]

I would like to make it perfectly clear that this was not me because that's a dick thing to do, but how would you find out who did it, anyway?

WAYS

[Arhra]

Rail networks are connected now, need to think of some better ways to do the switching though

[Shyria Dracnoir]

The big thing that worries me about my stuff getting defaced is that it could mean there's a hole in our security, and other people's stuff could be next. I don't want Fiendcraft infested with griefers.

[TDK]

Or maybe it was Fifth.

[BitVyper]

I don't want Fiendcraft infested with griefers.

It won't be. Even if we do end up with more griefers coming around, once Bukkit is back up, Worldedit can restore things while we ban anyone who griefs, plus default users don't have build permissions anyway, so only people we know can actually fuck with shit. Even in the worst case if something happened right NOW, while our plugins aren't up, we have world backups like crazy.

Honestly, me and Fifth would probably be the first ones to get hit by anyone who was logging onto the server for the express purpose of griefing, as we're right next to the spawn.

Also:

WAYS

[Fifthfiend]

AFTER MUCH TRIAL AND ERROR AND THE EFFORTS OF MANY INDIVIDUALS

THE AUTO-RELAUNCHER STATION IS NOW FULLY OPERATIONAL

WITH OPTIONAL ON-SITE REDIRECTION TO EITHER THE ARHRA TOWER OR KERENSKY HOUSE SEGMENTS OF ARHRA'S CARTLINE EXTENSION

Now that there's an actual working design for that shit, gonna put one together for spawn, should be able to rig it so there's basically an uninterrupted ride across the entire line.

[Bells]

http://i55.tinypic.com/9k9nqf.png

I'm not sure why i did this, but i did it and now we have this... if anyone wants to work something out of that, be my guest.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2rgjfah.png

Heh, the division where Rain becomes snow i've seen it!!!

[Fifthfiend]

UPDATE ON BUKKIT

It looks like they have gotten 1.5-compatible versions going, but not a "recommended" stable release out. ETA upgraded to: relatively soon-ish, possibly!

While we're chatting, when bukkit gets back online I'm probably gonna let night/day on Terra happen naturally, just cause like... well there's a lot of stuff on Terra that's prettier at night.

[Nikose Tyris]

I think my tower looks best at night.

Mostly because you don't have a giant stone monstrousity all clearly visible.

[Fifthfiend]

Actually regardless of whether they get a stable update running I'm probably gonna switch back over to Bukkit over the weekend because there is some new shit goin' on that I really just cannot wait to try.

If you're on the server Saturday/Sunday be prepared for the possibility of restarts / bugginess as I attempt to get everything re-enabled / test what is and isn't working.

ALSO be prepared for the possibility of being tormented by the capricious whims of an angry god.

[Fifthfiend]

oh BY THE WAY

FLARECOBRA

A person named Se7enJinx has been playing on the server; this person PURPORTS TO BE AN ACQUAINTANCE OF YOURS

Is this indeed the case ? Y/N

[BitVyper]

oh BY THE WAY

FLARECOBRA

A person named Se7enJinx has been playing on the server; this person PURPORTS TO BE AN ACQUAINTANCE OF YOURS

Is this indeed the case ? Y/N

Flarecobra mentioned this person several pages ago.

[Flarecobra]

That I did.

By the way... I'm going to have to move that rail thing... as I was kinda in the middle of landscaping.

[Aldurin]

Can you add 187119 to the whitelist? Also the no-swearing rule needs to be in effect when he is on or he won't stick around.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but have any of you been watching any of the Minecraft episodes from Video Games Awesome? It's some pretty good stuff and I'm considering making an account because of it.

[Marc v4.0]

Can you add 187119 to the whitelist? Also the no-swearing rule needs to be in effect when he is on or he won't stick around.

I have no problem if he is a kid or something and it would be inappropriate right out to swear in front of him, but that will be about as far as I push watching my damn and hells.

[TDK]

Yeah, I'm with Marc. Like most kids don't have a problem with swearing, its their parents that do. This sounds like its some its someone having a moral problem with swearing, in which case they can eat a dick.

Yknow, unless Fifth institutes a "Don't swear if it makes people uncomfortable" rule and then I'll just call Fifth a fascist but otherwise be like whatevs.

[Kerensky287]

Frankly I don't think even Ver gives a damn about the swearing rule anymore, so I would put my support forward if someone made a motion to remove it.

[BitVyper]

We DID remove it in the case of Verifiedz. Earl's friend is a bit of a different problem.

However, he described the specifics of the matter to me, and unless Fifth has a differing opinion, I'm gonna ask everyone to be mindful of their swearing when 187119 is around. Try for a few less fucks, at least. I'm not saying don't do it, but I am saying if someone politely asks you to tone it down, please be considerate in this case. I definitely don't want to see anyone swearing for the sake of trolling.

Earl, make sure your friend understands that he isn't to be telling people what they are and aren't allowed to say. If he wants anyone to be a bit less sweary for his sake, he can ask.

[Kerensky287]

We DID remove it in the case of Verifiedz. Earl's friend is a bit of a different problem.

Might want to update the OP in that case, it still lists "no swearing when Verifiedz is on" as a rule.

And if Earl's numbery friend has a legitimate reason for no cursing then I'm willing to comply with that (though I'm dying to find out what it is now).

[Fifthfiend]

I'm still not sure about the swearing when Verifiedz is on because I'm not sure how much verifiedz gives a fuck about swearing.

Anyway I'm pretty okay with toning down the eff-bombz for NUMBERSNUMBERSNUMBERS because much as I feel that "being a ten year old boy" is a reasonable reason for a given person to not want to hear swearing, "having ridiculous parents who are all up in your business and, themselves, insist on acting like ten year olds about swearing" is a reasonable reason for asking people to chill on the swearing.

...I mean obv. people aren't going to be perfect about it and it's not like I'm going to go into SERVER HITLER mode about enforcing it so if these parents are gonna like, completely lose it the instant they see a cuss then this is probably not gonna be the server for Earl's friend but if a sincere, good-faith effort is enough to keep the parents happy here I think we can do that.

[Aldurin]

Sorry, that kind of came off in the wrong tone. I meant a general check on profanity. Light swears like hell or damn are fine.

[TDK]

I'm still not sure about the swearing when Verifiedz is on because I'm not sure how much verifiedz gives a fuck about swearing.

Anyway I'm pretty okay with toning down the eff-bombz for NUMBERSNUMBERSNUMBERS because much as I feel that "being a ten year old boy" is a reasonable reason for a given person to not want to hear swearing, "having ridiculous parents who are all up in your business and, themselves, insist on acting like ten year olds about swearing" is a reasonable reason for asking people to chill on the swearing.

...I mean obv. people aren't going to be perfect about it and it's not like I'm going to go into SERVER HITLER mode about enforcing it so if these parents are gonna like, completely lose it the instant they see a cuss then this is probably not gonna be the server for Earl's friend but if a sincere, good-faith effort is enough to keep the parents happy here I think we can do that.

FASCIST

[BH5432]

Yo can you add BH5432 to the white list? Also anyone have any good mods that I could use?

[Aldurin]

http://sadpanda.us/images/451604-KHAHIEV.png

We now have a cactus farmer. Just go south of the community center, you can't miss it. Anybody is free to take from the output whenever they want, and I'll be adding more production layers soon.

[Flarecobra]

Another one? I know there's one by the Flitter thing...

[Fifthfiend]

So instead of screwing around with bukkit, I screwed around with MINECART STATIONS.

We now have Grand Central underneath the Community Center. From there you can either take Fiendline or Vyper Line.

If you choose to travel on Fiendline you can set your destination on Fiendline to either Arhra's tower or to Tower Station under my tower. From Tower Station you can continue your journey on the Arhra line either taking the alternate route to Arhra's tower or continuing to Kerensky's house (I think this is being expanded to go to Earl's castle).

Alternately on the Vyper line you can set your destination either to Vridis's home, Mt. Chunk Error, or continue to Sand Station near Pip Boy's island. From Sand Station you can disembark or continue your journey on the Vyper line to Dragonia Tower which will also put you in the vicinity of the Commune mine/towers.

The switching is a little bit complicated but it is super-fun once you get the hang of how it works so don't be intimidated and feel free to ask for help figuring it out!

[Nikose Tyris]

Soon to come: Skyrail.

[Kerensky287]

Just went on to try out the rail line. It is fucking awesomeradical, but the station at one of the stops (I forget which, I think it was Fifth Tower station) needs another booster to get the cart to the end. As it stands, you ride it and it starts heading back down, which leads it down a different path that includes a manual booster.

Seeing everybody's stuff made me think, "Geez, I need to have a 'thing.' " You know what I mean? Like, if you pass Shyria's stuff, you think, "This belongs to Shyria because it is dragon-shaped." And if you stop at Arhra's Tower, you think, "This belongs to Arhra because it is madness-shaped." Meanwhile, you hit the house Ver and I built, and what do you think? "This belongs to somebody uncreative because it is goddamn box-shaped."

Obviously you can judge houses purely on their shape.

Anyway I was kind of a dick to my brother recently so I feel like I need to make it up to him by playing some game with him, either Minecraft or Gmod, and if it's Minecraft I want to have an actual project to work on. And if I decide on a project, I need to theme it around myself! Or maybe I should start on a project and then theme myself around it.

I'm kind of new at this 'having a thing' thing. I need advice from thing-people. How does one start with a thing? Is there a thing-tutorial?

[Red Fighter 1073]

Not sure if you guys have already seen this and used it as your template for making branching pathways in your Minecart railways, but wow this is cool. This is basically a video that shows you can use Power Rails to stop at intersections between multiple paths and then choose which path you want to take. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrZPj6tETPg)

[Thadius]

My thing is building things in either ridiculous areas or of ridiculous size. I combined both into my Terra project, building a floating tower island with facilities and a doghouse. My Infernium project was ridiculous to start with, so I didn't have to worry about that.

You'll find a thing, don't worry. Shyria's is dragons, Flare's is setting things on fire and keeping them that way...

I think, to quote Terry Pratchett, you don't build a temple and hope for a god. You find a god, then build a temple.

[BitVyper]

Just went on to try out the rail line. It is fucking awesomeradical, but the station at one of the stops (I forget which, I think it was Fifth Tower station) needs another booster to get the cart to the end. As it stands, you ride it and it starts heading back down, which leads it down a different path that includes a manual booster.

Yeah, Arhra built his bits before ramps got added to the stations, so that one doesn't quite have enough power currently, however it ends up shoving you down to the main station anyway.

[Flarecobra]

Flare's is setting things on fire and keeping them that way...


Corpious amounts of Netherrack.

Oh, and mine's also fairly intricate underground stuff.

[BitVyper]

here's a photobucket murdered version of the latest render:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/BitVyper/output.png

I'm sure we'll have a link to the 100% size thing soonish.

[Flarecobra]

I love how we got a random bit of land out in the middle of The Void there.

[BitVyper]

Might'a been a messed up portal or something.

[Aldurin]

So there's this area with awesome terrain starting around z=1200 going west of my fortress. I mean it's like awesome terrain that keeps on going, I haven't even seen it all.

I'll post some screenshots of the area later unless Bit or Fifth posts a render before I get the chance.

Also if you do go out here please leave the floating cacti alone and just let them float there and be awesome.

[Fifthfiend]

Running bukkit again.

World portals re-enabled, except Infernum for right now because fuck the nether (ALSO because I took down the portal to put in Grand Central and need to build a new one somewhere).

/spawn should be working, probably, I think. No /home though. Small chance of inventory wonkiness, let me know if you experience any.

Time settings for Elysium and Necromunda are back in place. Time is running naturally on Terra as has previously been mentioned.

This is a non-"recommended" version of bukkit so there's a possibility of server errors, let me know if anyone experiences any bizarre game behavior or just like total catastrophic serversplosions. Although TBH I actually expect less bugginess since bukkit tends to be, aside from plugins and such, just a superior, better-running version of the server software.

[Marc v4.0]

When you have the time, please do replace the portal to the nether, I need some flaming hit rocks for projects and such.

Also, let my wolf out of it's spawn-protected prison, that's not cool.

[Fifthfiend]

spawn-protected prison

??

edit: that's your dog at the spawn? Man that wasn't a prison, that was a shelter so at least your poor neglected pet wasn't getting rained on all the time after you abandoned him for like two weeks or whatever.

If you wanna let him out you should be able to just right-click him a couple times and then have him follow you out.

[Aldurin]

Server seemed fine until I went into Arcanos. For some reason it's taking forever to load and it keeps causing errors.

[BitVyper]

Haven't had any trouble switching worlds, myself. I thought I was getting massive lag, then I realised I had virus scans running. So everything seems fine for me so far.

Marc: I shortened up the roof on the dog shelter. You should be able to get him out now.

Edit: Actually, the world seems to be rendering a lot better with bukkit on.

[Aldurin]

So I'll probably be not playing minecraft until the next update, since starting yesterday it began freezing on me 5-10 minutes into playing, both SMP and single player.

I already reinstalled minecraft and java to try to fix this but NOPE.

So if anybody knows what this might be I'd be glad to hear.

[Flarecobra]

What... the FUCK is up with that weather on Ely?

When it rains, it makes snow on the ground! THAT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SORT OF METEORLOGICAL SENSE!

[Fifthfiend]

Oh i just thought of why this might be happening, if it's the thing I think it might be I can fix it soon-ish

It's actually kind of funny

[TDK]

Maybe its freezing rain.

[Flarecobra]

Maybe its freezing rain.

Then it'd turn into ice, not snow.

[Bells]

MINECRAFT IS WEEEEEEIRD!

[Flarecobra]

We've known that for a long time. :P

[Fifthfiend]

In this case it's very possibly a case of me weirding up minecraft above and beyond its normal level of weirdness.

If I am right then what is happening is that minecraft is displaying rain and snow effects based on the actual characteristics of the actual world you are playing BUT is deciding whether or not to generate snow based on, essentially, the geography of a completely different map altogether.

[Bells]

oh my god, overlapping dimensions...

Maybe it's a bug/glitch of the wheater system itself? Like, a few pages back i posted a screenshot of an area that has a clear divide of where snow falls and where rain falls, which seems to be defined by terrain. Maybe it's just glitching out, display rain graphics in a area where there should be snow

[TDK]

Snow is a kind of ice.

[Fifthfiend]

Maybe it's a bug/glitch of the wheater system itself? Like, a few pages back i posted a screenshot of an area that has a clear divide of where snow falls and where rain falls, which seems to be defined by terrain. Maybe it's just glitching out, display rain graphics in a area where there should be snow

Assuming i'm right it is 100% the result of a thing which I did.

[Grimpond]

waaaaaaait wait wait wait.

wait.

You mean there are things that aren't?!?!

[BitVyper]

Was a glitch. False alarm.

[Flarecobra]

I have not been on, so you can't blame me for this.

Besides, I only go after wild ones, not tame.

[BitVyper]

I blame you for all wolf death. Even hypothetical wolf death that didn't actually happen.

[Fifthfiend]

Switched to the new recommended version of bukkit. Rain should now put out fires correctly, among other things.

Also readded pickboat (http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/2628)because fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck exploding boats.

Installed BlocksOnGlass (http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/13193), it is now possible to place rail, doors, and torches on glass.

Per Thad's comment below this one - infernum portal is indeed back up

Fixed the weather error Flare was experiencing on Elysium

Fixed the Necromunda spawn problem Content was having

[Thadius]

Is the Infernium portal back up yet? Haven't played lately, so I wouldn't know.

[Fifthfiend]

Yep.

On another note, shy, I put some floating torches over your necromunda trees cause mobs were spawning on top of them. I'm probably gonna install the plugin that stops mobs spawning on leaves because having to light trees is fuckin stupid.

[Flarecobra]

Yes, a tree grew like this.

http://sadpanda.us/images/455574-Q1AWNAI.png

[Bells]

Installed BlocksOnGlass (http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/13193), it is now possible to place rail, doors, and torches on glass.


This is awesome!

Made me think of a railroad in the sky surrounded entirely by glass. Cool!

[Nikose Tyris]

Oh right, added a Ventilation shaft to your room, Bells.

[Fifthfiend]

The Great Sea Wind Waker HD Texture Pack (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1021&t=185847) is soooooooooooooooooo pretty

[Melfice]

So, anybody here familiar with not being able to run the game in the launcher?
Because I'm having that problem right now. (I know this is for the Fiendcraft server, but it's done very well as the go-to general Minecraft thread, so I'm hi-jacking the thread for just a bit. PROBLEM?)

I've been able to play in the launcher prior to 1.5, but now it won't run for more than a few minutes at most.
In the browser, I've got no problems at all. Smooth sailing, as it were.

I also have no crash-logs for those interested, since Minecraft doesn't generate any, and I can't force them to appear either.

SO.
SOLUTION? YES? NO?

[Flarecobra]

It works fine here, and I use the launcher all the time...

[Aldurin]

I've been getting freezes when I play within the launcher, but I just got a bunch of windows updates and did some re-installs so it may not be similar to your situation.

Does the game just freeze in the middle of playing so that you are forced to end the program in the Task Manager?

[Pip Boy]

I can't connect :(

It just says "logging in" forever.

EDIT: Its working now.

EDIT AGAIN: You may be able to log off, Nikose, but you can't hide from your feelings.

[Melfice]

I've been getting freezes when I play within the launcher, but I just got a bunch of windows updates and did some re-installs so it may not be similar to your situation.

Does the game just freeze in the middle of playing so that you are forced to end the program in the Task Manager?

The game freezes, but then goes to an empty crash screen (where you'd normally get a crash-log), and then blacks out to crash to the desktop.

Pretty frustrating, really. More-so, since I can play fine in the browser.
Man, and I really wanted to try out IndustrialCraft too. =/

[Doc ock rokc]

The game freezes, but then goes to an empty crash screen (where you'd normally get a crash-log), and then blacks out to crash to the desktop.

Pretty frustrating, really. More-so, since I can play fine in the browser.
Man, and I really wanted to try out IndustrialCraft too. =/

Did you try a complete deletion and re download of the launcher?

[Melfice]

Did you try a complete deletion and re download of the launcher?

More than once! =D

But I think I've got it fixed now.
Anybody else who's suffering from this problem, please try this:

1) Open notepad.
2) Type or copy-paste the following code:
@echo off
java -Xincgc -Xmx800m -jar minecraft.exe
pause
3) Save As [whatever filename you like].bat
4) Run the game through the .bat.
5) ?????
6) PROFIT!!!!!

Link to source: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=287436#p4361491

[Flarecobra]

I see someone's starting to utilize that "Rails on Glass" stuff right over the ruins...

Oh, and I'm putting up a glass shield to keep the wool statues from catching on fire from lightning strikes. Again.

Also, lightning strikes when the skies are clear... anyone notice that?

[Nikose Tyris]

Look TDK we're buddies and all but

You have a giant flaming Pentagram

And a forest right next to it.

No word of a lie I'm standing on a sand pillar about 200 paces from the dragon statue, waiting for a supertree to grow, light and just burn everything you love.

Seriously I need this.

Edit: SERIOUSLY

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6293/20110428083215.png (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/20110428083215.png/)

[BitVyper]

So what you're saying is you're standing on something that isn't flammable.

[Nikose Tyris]

From that vantage point I'm standing on ice.

From my preffered vantage I was standing on a sand pillar.

Also I thought it was changed to /nikose, stop toying with my heart.

[TDK]

I'm beginning to think maybe I should extinguish my pentagram.

like maybe I could make a big basin around it and then fill that with water.

AND then I could replace the netherrack with glowstone and have a giant underwater glowing pentagram satan-pool. :D

[Aerozord]

things I have learned about rails since 1.5

1. buttons directly next to you cannot be pressed while in a minecart
2. if you destroy a minecart while inside it you will fall through the block the track is over
3. good way to use powered rails as a booster is detector rail-powered rail-detector rail so it can be used both ways.
3b. yea you can just like hit a lever and leave it, but this looks alot nicer
4. you can jump from one mine cart to another
5. still working on a smoother way to stop the cart in an easily resetable way. so far best I got is hitting the leaver that activates the power rail right at the end. which is hard to do when you are accelerating towards it and have about half a second window

[Bells]

I see someone's starting to utilize that "Rails on Glass" stuff right over the ruins...

Oh, and I'm putting up a glass shield to keep the wool statues from catching on fire from lightning strikes. Again.

Also, lightning strikes when the skies are clear... anyone notice that?

Yo Flare! I saw your message at Steam this morning, sorry, i was sleeping when you sent it to me

No, i'm not the one making the Glass covered sky rail, wish i was though!

Just a quick request/suggestion on that note... would anyone be interested in connecting this sky rail to my glass tower? It would make a nice station, but i just don't have the materials or knowledge to pull something like this now.

Also Nik

:dance:VENTILATION!:dance:

[Nikose Tyris]

The Railglassway on Elysium was my bad. I was just building up and up and didn't actually consider how I was building over people's stuff. I'll reposition and move stuff towards the Bells glass tower.

[Fifthfiend]

More than once! =D

But I think I've got it fixed now.
Anybody else who's suffering from this problem, please try this:

1) Open notepad.
2) Type or copy-paste the following code:
@echo off
java -Xincgc -Xmx800m -jar minecraft.exe
pause
3) Save As [whatever filename you like].bat
4) Run the game through the .bat.
5) ?????
6) PROFIT!!!!!

Link to source: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=287436#p4361491

I was reading boingboing.net and one of their writers was saying, among various other crazy bullshit, what a fully-developed, stable game Minecraft is.

And then I laughed and laughed and laughed.

[Aerozord]

ok I worked out breaking, now if only I could master long distance redwire use I could create an extensive train network

[Melfice]

I was reading boingboing.net and one of their writers was saying, among various other crazy bullshit, what a fully-developed, stable game Minecraft is.

And then I laughed and laughed and laughed.

It is fairly stable.
... for a Java game. I think.

I honestly don't know why the launcher won't work for me since 1.5(_01), but the browser version has been good for me all the time. (Well, it wouldn't work without the fix.)

So, yeah.

But it IS rather prone to quirks, I agree.

[Ryong]

I've been playing single-player and yesterday my game crashed multiple times.

I lost two stacks of iron ingots, my only two diamonds - since I have terrible luck to find them -a stack of sand, a bucket of lava - was making some glass - and like 20 stacks of cobblestone.

After playing like four hours today, the cobblestone magically reappeared in the chest, but that's it. So yeah, I wouldn't call it stable either.

I'm wondering: can I post pictures of my single player crazy project here? Not sure if this is JUST for Fifth's server.

[Aldurin]

Ya, this is sort of the generic minecraft thread even though 99.9999999% of the discussion is about fifth's server.

And if single player is giving you trouble, then don't feel bad about installing an inventory edit mod so that you can replace stuff that's been glitched into oblivion.

[Grimpond]

weird. WIth all the disking around I do with my files, I have yet to encounter any errors or failures.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm wondering: can I post pictures of my single player crazy project here? Not sure if this is JUST for Fifth's server.

I got no problems with it.

[Doc ock rokc]

I got no problems with it.

same. Also I dick around with my files trying out the gameplay mods every now and then So I should be even more likely to crash but I dont.

[Fifthfiend]

I meant no problems with ryong posting his pictures here.

[Melfice]

Okay, guys. I urge you to take a look at FiniteLiquid (http://www.djoslin.info/finiteliquid.php).

It really is sweet. It's like "Holy shit! It's water!"
Sadly not SMP, but check it out regardless.

[Bells]

I love the tubbing works, but isn't this the same Mod that if handled wrong can unleash an unstoppable Tsunami all over the map?

[Aerozord]

I was always more bothered by water never filling things up then by infinitely producing source blocks

[Arcanum]

I love the tubbing works, but isn't this the same Mod that if handled wrong can unleash an unstoppable Tsunami all over the map?

Yes. Yes it is. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDfpzKWnnX8&feature=player_embedded)

If you place an Ocean Block above the natural water level, that then becomes the new water level.

[Marc v4.0]

I like the heating iron thing, really neat

[Nikose Tyris]

Guys, important:

Apparently we have a new IP, according to "kingdave9" who is.. the manager of the server company fifth rents from, I guess.

67.222.156.70

[Flarecobra]

I can barely read those signs.

[Nikose Tyris]

I can barely read those signs.

If you're seein' signs you can't read, you're on the wrong server now. :P

[Flarecobra]

No, it was on the old IP.

[Fifthfiend]

Guys, important:

Apparently we have a new IP, according to "kingdave9" who is.. the manager of the server company fifth rents from, I guess.

67.222.156.70

uh

??

[Nikose Tyris]

Which is the wrong IP now.

Edit: Truth. check your email.

Edit2: Also, server is running kind of buggy atm, which is weird cause it was just rebooted. also night time on Elysium.

Edit3: Was day on Necro, then server crash.

[Ryong]

Okay, for starters:

I had built, prior to the "sandstone occurs naturally below sand" update, a tower made of sand and sandstone. I also made a lava shrine thing underground a bit ago.

Then I saw the post here about the Wind Waker mod, which inspired me to do...Something.

I believe it's easier to link like this. (http://img534.imageshack.us/g/20110427230742.png/)

It's based, loosely, on the forsaken fortress.

[Flarecobra]

Wondered who's bombed-out sand tower that was, if it was on Necro.

[Fifthfiend]

OKAY

NEW SERVER IP: DOES INDEED SEEM TO BE 67.222.156.70

Stuff MAY OR MAY NOT BE BUGGY, it doesn't look like there's anything I can do from the console side until I can get on in-game after work tonight and figure out what is and isn't doing what. So until then uh, DEAL WITH IT I guess.

[Kerensky287]

The server keeps crashing. UUUGH

Also powered rails don't go on glass for some reason.

[Bob The Mercenary]

The server keeps crashing. UUUGH

Also powered rails don't go on glass for some reason.

When did that ever seem like a good idea?

[Flarecobra]

And we got flying squid.

http://sadpanda.us/images/459978-S2MQIBM.png

I've named him "Fred"

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Dragons mod! And they're ride-able! (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1032&t=224380) :dance:

EDIT: Video of them in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCdmOuik9l8)

[Marc v4.0]

They look..well..

I think "Dragon" is being generous

[Nikose Tyris]

They're adorable pig-like wolves.

[BitVyper]

So there was some hidden TNT near spawn on Elysium, and I accidentally hit it while screwing around. Anyway, I seem to have uncovered the door to someone's secret toast room. If you are someone who has a secret toast room, you may want to pop over to Ely and make sure nothing important outside your door got blown up.

[Fifthfiend]

Those are like, the most perfectly minecrafty dragons that minecraft dragons could be, they're just so fantastically derpy.

ANYWAY, HOW ABOUT SOME RENDERS

BOOM, HERE IS A BIG FUCKIN ZIP OF TERRA RENDERS (http://www.mediafire.com/?au18l21jeeel35l)

Been a while since we ran these so let's see what's new on Terra! For funsies I did some nighttime renders so most of these are stuff that looked cool at night.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4665/201105010538terradragon.png

Here's the Dragonia region, with Bit's dragontower and its new glass forest, and Nikose and Thad's ever-expanding tower/mineworks

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7104/201105010538terraearlwe.png

Here we have what I assume is Earl's sanctuary at the further end of his recent western excursions

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6470/201105010538terradragop.png

Heading the other way up the map let's check in on Shyria's dragon OH HEY LOOK

IT'S A GIANT FUCKIN PENTAGRAM

YOU DON'T ACT RIGHT, TDK

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4390/201105010538terraspawna.png

Over at spawn we have my remodeled and rechristened Sunset Tower, as well as Earl's superdeluxe cactus farmer (if you need a FUCK TON of cactus man this is the place to get it).

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3586/201105010538terramineke.png

Here is a mountain that IS MY MOUNTAIN KEEP THE FUCK OFFA MY MOUNTAIN I SAW IT FIRST DON'T NOBODY TOUCH IT I AM NOT KIDDING I WILL KILL YOU

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1602/201105010538terras7v7nj.png

Here's a daytime render of new player S7v7nJ7n7x7777777's temple and ziggurat!


http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8893/201105010538terravolcan.png

And here's this rad volcano that someone built, IDK who.

As previously I am pretty much picking these based on looking around the huge-ass map and seeing whatever happens to catch my eye so by all means feel free to share your own creations or your favorite things that others have done.

[Aldurin]

Here we have what I assume is Earl's sanctuary at the further end of his recent western excursions

You assume correctly. Also where is the general area of mountain that you claim? I just want to know just so that I'm sure to avoid it.

[Pip Boy]

Is there any chance that Skylands may be implemented in the near future? Because if so 1) FUCK YES and 2) I am gearing up for an expedition up into that shit.

Like if you guys want to do this hardcore we can hop into steam voice chat while we play and be like Indiana Jones or some awesomeness like that.

[Flarecobra]

I have heard nothing about that.

[Bells]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2e1f96q.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/t0jb12.jpg

Awesome! I loved these renders, also, glad to know my Glass Tower looks good from space!!! Lots of room to expand also, cool!

I still would like to connect it to the power rail line in the future

[Nikose Tyris]

We'll get the entire skyway lined with rails, once we thicken it to 5 wide across the sky.

[Viridis]

Requesting the user "Zenega" get white-listed. Vouching for them


Bit, do you have a giant waterfall thing on the creative server, with some zen sort of stuff underneath, with lava and symbolic gates? TRYING to find my old base under an island, and that place of yours was my best landmark.

[BitVyper]

Requesting the user "Zenega" get white-listed. Vouching for them


Bit, do you have a giant waterfall thing on the creative server, with some zen sort of stuff underneath, with lava and symbolic gates? TRYING to find my old base under an island, and that place of yours was my best landmark.

Yes I do. I also raised a pillar within render distance of the island. Go east from spawn (the direction of the magikarp - stay on Karp's left) for a long-ass time, and you'll eventually get there.

[Viridis]

Thanks, Bit. When the creative server was the only one, I only got there the first time because you summoned me, the I set up shop with /sethome. I was convinced, since I couldn't find it again, that our current creative server was a completely different map.

[Flarecobra]

Maps are confermed in 1.6.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkbo5m6Nr51qzb7ox.png

Which has a release date of "Not soon."

He also said there'd be a multiplayer-compatable Nether coming in 1.6.

[Thadius]

Now I feel the odd temptation to build a THAD WAZ HERE sign on every map we have. A sign large enough to be seen on these maps that will be coming out.

Wait wait wait.

An eternally burning sign.

[Melfice]

Now I feel the odd temptation to build a THAD WAZ HERE sign on every map we have. A sign large enough to be seen on these maps that will be coming out.

Wait wait wait.

An eternally burning sign.

And then everybody avoids that particular area, so your sign never shows up on the maps.

[Flarecobra]

And apperentally maps can only show a certain area...

[Bells]

eeeeeeeeh... not loving those maps. Hope it's just a Photoshop to show what it would be like. Considering the "semi-realistic" approach, it means it's a map without zoom, and it may just show the landscape, not the buildings in the area... So, not terribly Effective

[Melfice]

eeeeeeeeh... not loving those maps. Hope it's just a Photoshop to show what it would be like. Considering the "semi-realistic" approach, it means it's a map without zoom, and it may just show the landscape, not the buildings in the area... So, not terribly Effective

There are various levels of zoom in maps that you can set.
The two maps shown there are the closest and the farthest zooms available. I think I read somewhere that there will be various intermediate zoom levels.

EDIT: And buildings do get shown. Maps also update whenever you're in the area and are holding the map in your hands.

[Bells]

Foot in my mouth then!

Just saw the blog... still not loving that Max Zoom leve he is showcasing... but then again, Minecraft maps are pretty huge, there is probably some technical issues to it. My pc is a quad core with 8gb ram and it still struggles a bit to scroll on those renders of our server... can only imagine the pain that is to place one of those in game.

[Flarecobra]

Not to mention one map can't show the entire surface of the world.

[Viridis]

Been riding the rail system and enjoying it.

One problem: There doesn't seem to be enough momentum in the track design from the 'Sand station' back to Grand central along the Bit line. There's one 4 block rise where my minecart stalled out. A powered rail should fix it but I don't want to touch anything without approval.

[Fifthfiend]

multiplayer-compatable Nether coming in 1.6.

OH MAN YES NETHER, WOO-HOO, NETHER

man, fuck the nether

[Fifthfiend]

Been riding the rail system and enjoying it.

One problem: There doesn't seem to be enough momentum in the track design from the 'Sand station' back to Grand central along the Bit line. There's one 4 block rise where my minecart stalled out. A powered rail should fix it but I don't want to touch anything without approval.

Damn, I thought I'd fully tested it / had it working but I guess it tends to be a bit random when/whether slowdowns occur.

Depending on where the stallout is happening it might want another cart booster. Feel free to put down whatever track gets you there for now, I'll rework the design a bit next time I get on.

If I'm guessing right you're hitting the bump right by the switch track between your mountain and Sand Station. The non-contiguous jumpover bits tend to suck out juuuuuuuuust a bit of momentum, which can cause the sort of problems you noticed.

[Bells]

Missed a jump, died, got lost at spawn AGAIN.............. *sigh*

I tried to get to nik's tower from the railcart system without much luck... problem is i died while performing an operation in my Glass tower that if i missed my calculation by 1 block, i could end up floodind the whole damn thing...

Either way, Fifth, earlier on at the station, i tried to take one of the roads to see if i would find a landmark i know along the way, but when the cart was moving there was a part where it went on block down, 3 ahead and then 1 up. It didn't have the power to do that, so it just went back and forth stuck in there

[Nikose Tyris]

Missed a jump, died, got lost at spawn AGAIN.............. *sigh*

I tried to get to nik's tower from the railcart system without much luck... problem is i died while performing an operation in my Glass tower that if i missed my calculation by 1 block, i could end up floodind the whole damn thing...

Either way, Fifth, earlier on at the station, i tried to take one of the roads to see if i would find a landmark i know along the way, but when the cart was moving there was a part where it went on block down, 3 ahead and then 1 up. It didn't have the power to do that, so it just went back and forth stuck in there

Follow the skyroad to keep from getting lost.

[Bells]

Yeah, thanks! That worked.

Ofcourse, i'm clumsy as all hell, so later on i took a misstep over a thin stone bridge and fall to lava, where i lost 30 pieces of Lapis Lazuli, 50 coal, My bucket and a few other pieces of stuff

[Nikose Tyris]

Yeah, thanks! That worked.

Ofcourse, i'm clumsy as all hell, so later on i took a misstep over a thin stone bridge and fall to lava, where i lost 30 pieces of Lapis Lazuli, 50 coal, My bucket and a few other pieces of stuff

you are welcome to improve the bridge over time. I've been doing it whenever I'm not finishing my retirement beach home with lush purple carpeting.

[Bells]

that's what i was doing, i found some veils of Coal, Lapiz and Redstone down there, so i figured i would mine it, refil with cobblestone, and left half of it all in the community chest. I mistook a step while reaching for a High block of redstone (which is still there, the bastard... being all red and stonish...) and dived face first into the lava...

Loosing all that lapis and coal hurted a bit, but the only major lost was my Bucket, gotta make a new one now...

[Flarecobra]

To who ever put all that track and diamond blocks near where we were making Ponyville, sorry but that had to come down. It was blocking the boats for one. And also they were in the way of building.

[Aerozord]

that was me, and yes I completely forgot to elevate it to open up water travel, I just thought people would like a railway to there, it is abit of a trek

[BitVyper]

Hey guys, if you're gonna build transocean railways, you either need to do it underwater, or go one block up above so that boats can still get by.

Edit: Ah, I see you settled it in the time it took me to post. Good.

Still as a general rule, try to keep the water open from here on.

[Flarecobra]

Well, one level up you actually end up getting suffication damage going under it.

[BitVyper]

Yeah, I know. I'm not gonna worry TOO much about the suffocation damage unless people start building really wide bridges, or building them on Arcanos and Necro. For now, I think as long as boats can get under/over them, that's good enough.

[Flarecobra]

And now: Ponyville has a few houses you can actually walk into.

[Fifthfiend]

You assume correctly. Also where is the general area of mountain that you claim? I just want to know just so that I'm sure to avoid it.

Finally got back out there to check. It's like, a ways southeast of se7en's ancient temple, around like x 800, z -300.

[Fifthfiend]

SERVER IS DOWN

DUE TO NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW

SOMETHING FUCKED UP IN PERMISSIONS

WILL FIX IT SOON AS I CAN

[Revising Ocelot]

I jinxed it. I've been jinxing a lot of things lately, although they usually involve deaths. This is more of a Schrodinger's Server.

[Fifthfiend]

Man I am super-sorry this happened when you were on given your already shitty recent minecraft servering experiences, I promise I will get shit working the way it oughtta again as soon as humanly possible

[Fifthfiend]

Heavy testing ongoing

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO LOG INTO THE SERVER

I WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO YOUR INVENTORY OR ANYTHING ELSE WHILE TESTING IS TAKING PLACE

[Fifthfiend]

OKAY IT IS WORKING AGAIN

I wish i could blame bit or myself or anyone at all for whatever the fuck happpened, but I can't, because literally nothing is actually fucking changed from how things were set up when the goddamn thing exploded.

But whatever fuck it as long as it's doing more or less like it should, for now, I guess I am basically happy

[Thadius]

Never before has your title tag been more appropriate to a post you have made, nor will it be again.

[Flarecobra]

Just a moody server?

[Fifthfiend]

Monster Masher 2.5 now fully operational. Now featuring single-point collection! Kind of considering just idling there while I'm at work and piling up a stupid-huge heap of bones and gunpowder.

Really have to start doing something with my hollowed out mountain, while ALSO figuring out what to do with my OTHER mountain that I made a huge ridiculous point of claiming and tellin' everybody not to touch.

[Revising Ocelot]

Minor observation on Elysium which probably applies to the other worlds... it never. Stops. Raining.

Well OK, it does stop occasionally, but ~75% of the time everything's greyer and murkier than an English February.

EDIT: Make that 90%. Just now it rained for two ingame days straight, followed by a 3 minute break, then started again.

[Fifthfiend]

This seems to be commonly brought up, I'll see if there's some kind of weather plugin that lets me adjust the frequency such that maybe like, elysium and terra can be sunnier places.

edit: oh man I should just install this (http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/misc-weathersync-v1-1_3-the-real-world-weather-debug-mode-fixed-740.14016/).

[Red Fighter 1073]

Finally found a project to work on after I'm finished with finals:

Minecraft Mini-Golf! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdwpgNhIAyg)

[Flarecobra]

Looks like a fun idea for Ely.

[Red Fighter 1073]

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking.. Elysium would be perfect because of the ability to spawn ice blocks. If someone wants to start it up before me then go ahead and I was thinking that it can be a Community Project as we add more courses.

[Flarecobra]

Say, can we get an up-to-date Ely render to help plan this out?

[Fifthfiend]

I don't see why not, if Bit doesn't get around to it I'll run one after work-ish (bout 9 pacific time)

[Flarecobra]

I'm on now.

[Fifthfiend]

Server is back up from the outage that was going on an hour ago-ish.

Talked to the hosting guys, it looks like this and the outage earlier today were the result of DDOS attacks. IDK when/whether it'll be a problem again but they're working on clearing it up.

Anyway, as requested:

Elysium renders!

http://www.mediafire.com/?3v7l2q5rm0wh004

Two renders. "NBL" means "North = bottom left", "NUL" means "North = upper left".

Not doing the usual clips, cause I'm super tired, although there is def. a ton of rad new shit going on; Ponyville is looking super-dope.

[Revising Ocelot]

Stupid Question Alert, how do I go about viewing the renders? WinRAR throws a hissy fit when I try to extract the ZIP.

[Melfice]

It does appear the renders are corrupt, or WinRAR just sucks at extracting it.

EDIT: WinZip managed to extract the .zip.
Weird. WinRAR never seemed have had problems before. o__0

EDIT AGAIN: if you really want, I could probably RAR them up for you, Ocelot, but it'd probably be easier to install WinZip next to WinRAR.

[BitVyper]

Fifth, get on AIM and contact me when you get a chance.

[Fifthfiend]

It looks like I compressed the zip with the "LZMA" compression method which winRAR doesn't handle. MY BAD.

I suggest 7zip to get this particular set of renders open, I'll try and remember to use the more agnostic compression methods in the future.

[Flarecobra]

Some pretty interesting stuff to the far-East there.

http://sadpanda.us/images/476825-LH9V18S.png

Let's party!

[Fifthfiend]

Hahahahaha, god damn Dock

edit: Seriously considering renaming Elysium to Equestria

[Flarecobra]

Not Doc. Me.

[Fifthfiend]

Hahahaha, I probably should have figured that out from all the pink wool in your inventory.

[Flarecobra]

:P

I was tempted to put it near the Spawn, but it's just way too crowded over there. So I built it at the edge of my area.

[Revising Ocelot]

That may be in viewing range of my medium hole in the ground (soon to be a big hole in the ground). Do Not Like. :mad:

[Fifthfiend]

That may be in viewing range of my medium hole in the ground (soon to be a big hole in the ground). Do Not Like. :mad:

http://nuklearforums.com/image.php?u=2185&dateline=1301687292

[Flarecobra]

Since I can't find a Pinkie Pie one..

http://sadpanda.us/images/441983-FA2TPIE.png
Not to mention, she's just too cute in sunglasses.

[Fenris]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Reaction%20Images/130230981158.gif

[Flarecobra]

http://sadpanda.us/images/477310-0K8RKEK.png

Wow. It's like a canyon or something.

[Pip Boy]

I totally remember that! One of my earlier TNT experiments. That was back before they told me I can't have splodies anymore.

[Aerozord]

I totally remember that! One of my earlier TNT experiments. That was back before they told me I can't have splodies anymore.

I wonder why

[Flarecobra]

Ahh.. so it's one of your things...

[Revising Ocelot]

http://oi56.tinypic.com/21eoxsi.jpg

http://ihatevans.com/francis.jpg

[Nikose Tyris]

That is not Pip's hole. That is RO's hole.

[Pip Boy]

Is it? Its hard to tell sometimes. They all look like holes.

[Flarecobra]

http://oi56.tinypic.com/21eoxsi.jpg


*Gives a whistle like calling something over.*

http://sadpanda.us/images/477955-2CV8JH3.png

Seriously, leaving stuff like that just ain't cool.

[Fifthfiend]

Dang guys, chill.

ANYWAYS

http://twitter.com/#!/notch/statuses/68732287482728449

bugs that feel wrong get fixed. The boosters have never ever felt right.

Looks like people having fun in Minecraft continues feeling wrong to the dude who makes Minecraft :(

Saying goodbye to cart boosters in 1.6; saying hello to Minecart Mania (http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/mech-minecart-mania-1-1-700-766.388/)! :)

[Marc v4.0]

Boosters seem pointless now with powered rails anyway, and to be fair to the man it WAS an unintended bug.


I can't really understand the guy's reaction, that it isn't a bug but a feature. If it wasn't intended it's a bug.

[Nikose Tyris]

Speaking of bugs, I'm a dick. I'll clean it up, but I wanted to call attention to it. :P

[Fifthfiend]

Boosters seem pointless now with powered rails anyway, and to be fair to the man it WAS an unintended bug.

Boosters are still pretty much a million times better and more useful than powered rails, which are mainly useful as a supplement to cart-boosted rail lines.

I'm not really sure why it matters that it was unintentional, especially given how dreadful his intended designs for how minecarts should work have been.

EDIT: It's not like cart boosters stop people from building goldrail-only cartlines, or using (hahahahahahaha) powered minecarts. It just gives them an alternative that's much more fun to build and use.

Speaking of bugs, I'm a dick. I'll clean it up, but I wanted to call attention to it. :P

uh... ??

[Grimpond]

Speaking of bugs, I'm a dick. I'll clean it up, but I wanted to call attention to it. :P

Was there supposed to be a pic with that?

[Fifthfiend]

Yeah like I would really emphatically like to know what on Earth Terra nik is talking about there.

[Marc v4.0]

Bug is a bug is a bug. We all knew this was coming, he made it clear when they first got discovered that it was going to get fixed when he had to time to look at it. Don't really understand the outrage.

[Fifthfiend]

Bug is a bug is a bug. We all knew this was coming, he made it clear when they first got discovered that it was going to get fixed when he had to time to look at it. Don't really understand the outrage.

Is there any point in attempting to discuss this with you, or are you just going to repeat simplistic phrases and describe straightforwardly stated, easily understood objections as incomprehensible ~outrage~?

[Aerozord]

I suspected it would be removed, and just happy he waited till there was a functional alternative before doing it.

I do wish powered minecarts worked like how they were supposed to though

[Nikose Tyris]

On leaving Elysium. I found a silly little bug, and kind of went overboard.

[Flarecobra]

What happoned?

[Fifthfiend]

On leaving Elysium. I found a silly little bug, and kind of went overboard.

Like I would really really appreciate if you would straightforwardly say what it was that you did so I know whether or not it's something I actually need to worry about.

I mean PM me if you wanna keep it A SEKRET until people discover it in-game but I'd personally prefer to just know what this is you're talking about so I can not be worrying about whether it actually messes up anything important while I'm at work.

EDIT: Like I don't know if we're talking a glitch in the inventory clearing or if something's on fire that shouldn't be, these are things I tend to fret about!

[Marc v4.0]

Is there any point in attempting to discuss this with you, or are you just going to repeat simplistic phrases and describe straightforwardly stated, easily understood objections as incomprehensible ~outrage~?

Discussion over it is really moot at this point, it is getting removed because it was a bug and not a feature. There are people geniunly outraged by this and I don't really understand why, since it was never a secret that 1) it was a bug and 2) he was removing it eventually.

Don't..really understand the attitude over it. Sorry I see it differently.

[Fifthfiend]

Discussion over it is really moot at this point, it is getting removed because it was a bug and not a feature. There are people geniunly outraged by this and I don't really understand why, since it was never a secret that 1) it was a bug and 2) he was removing it eventually.

Don't..really understand the attitude over it. Sorry I see it differently.

I mean you're kind of just going it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug it was a bug

...and I mean okay, sure, it was a "bug"... that has hugely improved the experience of the game for many people, while being utterly unharmful to everybody else.

"BUT IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG IT WAS A BUG"

Yes, but generally the reason "bugs" are a bad thing is because they, you know, cause detrimental effects in ways that are not good so, given that this "bug" is, actually, beneficial, it's actually very, very easy to understand why many people would want it kept in the game.

Like... ladybugs are a bug? But if I see a

___________________________"why do you hate me, marc?!"
________________________________/
http://www.everything-ladybug.com/image-files/ladybug_ani_7.gif

I don't say "OH GOD A BUG KILL THE BUG IT IS A BUG". I say "Oh hey it is a ladybug, IE a totally rad, excellent kind of bug!"

The problem isn't that you "see things differently" - it's that you're ignoring the content of the objection being made, while repeatedly claiming that you "can't understand" it. Which is a bit frustrating and, dare I say it, an insistence that I personally do not really understand!

And yes, Notch has said continually he would fix the "bug". He has indeed repeatedly stated his intention of undertaking an action that many people object to. That... really isn't a reason why it would be any less objectionable.

I mean if we're talking about outrage, there are certainly many people on the minecraft forums who were furiously, curse-and-insult-flingingly angry... at anyone who objects to the removal of cart boosters. Haven't really seen anyone "outraged" by the removal of cart boosters, at least no more than I was in my initial post on the topic, which is to say, not really at all.

[Marc v4.0]

Maybe the term Exploit is more accurate then Bug to describe what this is, then.

Either way, whatever. I don't think it's such a big damn deal to get so worked up over. It is a little off putting

[Arhra]

OH MY GOD NO BOOSTERS?! WHAT IS HAPPENING?! I AM SO WORKED UP!!!

Although I won't mind so much if Notch gives the power rails a bit more oomph.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

So, what the hell are we talking about again?

[Doc ock rokc]

Maybe the term Exploit is more accurate then Bug to describe what this is, then.

Either way, whatever. I don't think it's such a big damn deal to get so worked up over. It is a little off putting

Its because
A) it was cheap.
B) it was easy.
C) it was effective.
D) it has been around forever and has a ton of systems based on it

[Marc v4.0]

E) As soon as he found out about it, he said it was going to get removed. If you based your system off something with a countdown timer on it, it isn't His fault.

[Melfice]

I'm not sure if this was noted, but I believe he said he's also upping the power on the Booster rails.
I can see where people are annoyed over this, but the booster rails are a far more elegant option. Especially if they get a power-up now.

[Doc ock rokc]

E) As soon as he found out about it, he said it was going to get removed. If you based your system off something with a countdown timer on it, it isn't His fault.

He later accepted it, then recently he turned around and did said he was removing it.

The only way the Rails can replace the REAL thing is if they are just as effective.

actually they would have to be more effective since they are more expensive.

[Nikose Tyris]

He later accepted it, then recently he turned around and did said he was removing it.

The only way the Rails can replace the REAL thing is if they are just as effective.

actually they would have to be more effective since they are more expensive.

I don't think "I'll leave these in until I put real powered rails in" counts as accepting it. I believe that only lends credence to Mark's arguement.

[Marc v4.0]

I don't think "I'll leave these in until I put real powered rails in" counts as accepting it. I believe that only lends credence to Mark's arguement.

I'd just leave it be. I think it was pretty clear from in-game that reasonable discourse is pretty much out of the question.

[Fifthfiend]

I think it was pretty clear from in-game that reasonable discourse is pretty much out of the question.

What on earth

*checks*

UGH not having this, guys, do remember that I do have server logs?

Doc Ock Rokc, please don't tell people to shut the fuck up, Nikose, please don't call people idiots.

Differing opinions about bugfixes can be discussed without that sort of thing. Next time I see this from one of you I'm handing out an ingame ban.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm not sure if this was noted, but I believe he said he's also upping the power on the Booster rails.
I can see where people are annoyed over this, but the booster rails are a far more elegant option. Especially if they get a power-up now.

The question is how much of a power-up, like, "is it reasonably practical to go up a hill now". Given his previous ideas in this regard - IE powered (hahahaha) minecarts, and the booster rails that were underpowered in the first place, I don't really have a lot of confidence in him doing so.

In any case it doesn't really matter what Notch does since - per my original post and contrary to Marc's claims - I'm not really wasting a lot of time getting worked up about it; I'm just installing Minecart Mania and cranking the boost on powered rails so high they'll be launching people into the sun.

[Melfice]

That's a fair enough point.
Going up a hill has rarely been a point for me anyway. If it's more than three blocks up, I tend to start tunnelling anyway, so I can see how people going up big mountains might be a tad more peeved.

But, yeah. We'll see how much of a boost the boosters are getting.

[Nikose Tyris]

I've got the ratio figured out to where I think is equivelent- 7 booster rails seems to balance out to the bugboosters.

I've been doing 3 powered / 1 normal / 3 powered / 1 normal / 3 powered, and then a long stretch of normal track.

A set of 6 can move you up a 9 cell high incline with speed to spare.

it's been working out rather cleanly, actually.

[Fifthfiend]

I've got the ratio figured out to where I think is equivelent- 7 booster rails seems to balance out to the bugboosters.

Are you comparing them to single-carted or double-cart-stacked boosters?

[Nikose Tyris]

Single Cart. I crash on using the double cart stacked boosters and can't get an accurate judgement on the speed.

[Doc ock rokc]

Single Cart. I crash on using the double cart stacked boosters and can't get an accurate judgement on the speed.

Some mine cart specialists say that double boosters are basically single minecart squared.

also on the uphill bit (http://youtu.be/AfelkMxrITU)

[Nikose Tyris]

So, On the topic of things that answer exactly nothing, We have Doc. Thank you doc.

edit: Like, I thought i was being really clear that I'm not talking about the bugboosters, but the standard rail boosters. I'm aware of how fast those boosters go, and worked out how to do it without using the bugbooster.

Edit2: although to be fair the sentence actually answers a lot more and i hsouldn't have been dismissive. Apologies. x4, with the way the rail boosters work... this will take some sciencing.

[I'm also trying to account for lag-loss- I seem to go a shorter distance on the server then on single player.]

[Fifthfiend]

Taking the server down for bukkit-related upgrades, maintenance, and testing.

Ideally back up in an hour-ish.

[Fifthfiend]

Server's back up guys and oh man do I have a BIG SURPRISE in store for you

...I'm serious ya'll this is a HUGE DEAL

...No really everbody get ready for one MASSIVE SHOCK

edit: In addition to the BIG SURPRISE, I've also set it up so regenerating health is enabled on Elysium.

Also there may be some odd/unexpected effects in terms of tnt not working on some worlds or uh... idk what else but if you notice stuff of that nature that seems like it isn't working how it should, let me know here and I'll set them when i get the chance.

[Arhra]

Bluh, I am so stupid.

I'd going on a big mining trip and stumbled on that Lava Fields area. So anyway I found there was a funny little track with a minecart going on this perpetual loop since there were no unpowered rails at the end to stop it and it didn't have the momentum to get very high up the loop. So I decide to build in a proper starting point and ride it up to the surface to see where it goes.

Mining underneath that and I stupidly fall into a lava pit and burn to death along with all my goodies.

Noooo, my lapis.

Just thought I should mention it seeing the end part has been partially deconstructed and I have no idea how to get back there.

[Flarecobra]

I think physics are broken again.

http://sadpanda.us/images/482531-5E4P5N4.png

Then I found this.

http://sadpanda.us/images/482526-2P7KMDP.png

It's located in Chunk Error Cliffs.

http://sadpanda.us/images/482529-DXSKC34.png

[Aldurin]

Oh yeah, is that along the minetrack to my underground city in Ely? That cave has been that way for a while.

[Flarecobra]

I saw no minetrack. Though me and Bit did find your stuff.

[Fifthfiend]

That's all chunks generated when I was seeing what would happen when you replace one world's seed with another's.

[Flarecobra]

It's still quite AWESOME.

[Bells]

Whatever we don, we are behind schedule in the awesome department. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zTtwXQ5PJM)

[Aerozord]

By the way, what was Fifths "big surprise" cause I never noticed anything

[Flarecobra]

Giants.

And I got trees that are immune to lava.

http://sadpanda.us/images/484190-ITUJELG.png